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Edwards Challenges Rivals To Back Feingold Amendment To Defund War

By Greg Sargent - May 15, 2007, 11:36AM

A new statement from John Edwards challenges unnamed Senators -- read: Hillary and Obama -- to back Russ Feingold's amendment to defund the war:

“It is time to end this war. The only real power Congress has to end the war is their funding power, which is why I and others have been calling on them to use it for some time.
"I would actually go further than Reid-Feingold and use the funding authority, not just to set an ultimate deadline, but to force an immediate withdrawal of 40-50,000 troops, followed by a complete withdrawal in about a year. But using the funding authority to bring this war to an end is exactly the right thing to do. Every Senator who believes this war is wrong and wants to end it should support Reid-Feingold."

This is of course very much in keeping with Edwards' strategy of carving out a niche for himself as the candidate demanding action from the Congress he's no longer a member of. He's also repeatedly demanded that Congress send the same Iraq supplemental bill back to Bush again and again despite his vetoes.

As it happens, the Feingold amendment does create something of a dilemma in particular for Hillary and Obama, as the Associated Press notes today. Will they vote for it?

Update: Ben Smith reminds us that Edwards was refusing to comment on the Feingold measure only a month ago.

Comments (752)

wglad wrote on May 15, 2007 11:45 AM:

Hard to see how they could not vote for it. Hillary may have to rephrase Edwards and say the occupation is wrong and she wants to end it, but it's hard to imagine her not supporting the bill. Feingold is a rock.

dhs wrote on May 15, 2007 11:49 AM:

Congress has not yet realized that the entire war issue is about to become moot. The Republicans are jumping ship; the President does not have enough troops to carry out the current surge strategy; the Iraqis themselves may vote to ask the U.S. to leave.

Congress ought to be looking ahead to the next phase of this struggle: how to disengage; how to begin working with Iraq and its neighbors Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Iran, and with the U.N. to minimize the chaos and violence in the event of an American pull-out.

annefrank wrote on May 15, 2007 11:53 AM:

>>>This is of course very much in keeping with Edwards' strategy of carving out a niche for himself as the candidate demanding action from the Congress he's no longer a member of.

Wow! thanks for the rightwing enlightenment Greg!
Gee - Edwards isn't a viable prez candidate because he gets expensive haircuts and hasn't been to Iraq - and he's no longer in Congress!

joejoejoe wrote on May 15, 2007 12:00 PM:

Yawn. Let's suppose Edwards is the King of All Candidates and controls the vote of all the Senators running for President (except Chris Dodd - who said the same thing Edwards said above several days ago and got cricket noises for press). Obama and Clinton both vote for Feingold-Reid and it fails 37-61. Then what? Edwards has the loudest voice because he's the candidate that has no obligation to govern. You need 67 votes to end the Iraq War or a Democratic President in '09. I agree with Feingold-Reid and Kerry-Feingold before it but if legislation doesn't pass it's not binding. You can't clap harder like Tinkerbell and wish for it to pass. You have to come up with alternatives that DO pass - like Murtha and the House's 'short leash'.

Edwards' Iraq rhetoric is increasingly tied to campaign strategy and not legislating an exit strategy from Iraq.

hadenough wrote on May 15, 2007 12:13 PM:

I don't see a big difference between the Obama, Hillary and Feingold amendment/bill.

Seeing as how Hillary and Obama were so close why couldn't they have teamed up and co-sponsored something. Yeah I know but that would have been great.

Now we have the Feingold amendment that's pretty damn close to Obama and Hillary.

Here is Feingold:

The language of the legislation reads:

(a) Transition of Mission - The President shall promptly transition the mission of United States forces in Iraq to the limited purposes set forth in subsection (d).

(b) Commencement of Safe, Phased Redeployment from Iraq - The President shall commence the safe, phased redeployment of United States forces from Iraq that are not essential to the purposes set forth in subsection (d). Such redeployment shall begin not later than 120 days after the date of the enactment of this Act.

(c) Prohibition on Use of Funds - No funds appropriated or otherwise made available under any provision of law may be obligated or expended to continue the deployment in Iraq of members of the United States Armed Forces after March 31, 2008.

(d) Exception for Limited Purposes - The prohibition under subsection (c) shall not apply to the obligation or expenditure of funds for the limited purposes as follows:

(1) To conduct targeted operations, limited in duration and scope, against members of al Qaeda and other international terrorist organizations.

(2) To provide security for United States infrastructure and personnel.

(3) To train and equip Iraqi security services.
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4524#more-4524

If bradblog has the correct text where did Edwards get his numbers from?

And if you dig out Obama's and Hillary amendment/bill you'll see that is not a lot of difference from Feingold.

wglad wrote on May 15, 2007 12:29 PM:

I sure am glad I don't write this blog. I didn't see anybody say Edwards wasn't a viable candidate, mention his hair or whether he's been to Iraq. In 1968 Nixon and Humphrey were both hawks. Nixon won the election. During his campaign, he claimed he had a secret plan to end the war.

fuzz wrote on May 15, 2007 12:31 PM:

No, they don't need 67 votes. All they have to do is not send the president any funding bill at all and the money runs out, the end. Just drop the matter and work on other things until Bush comes begging.

MO Blue wrote on May 15, 2007 12:33 PM:

Reid/Feingold amendment is really a deal breaker for me. The one Senatorial candidate that is on my short list will be removed the minute a NEA vote is recorded. All information that I have been able to gather is that the Senate will not go along with the Short Leash proposed by the House but instead will vote on an alternative bill containing toothless guidelines on benchmarks.

Waiting for the magic pony to appear in September with enough votes to get us out of Iraq before the end of Bush's term is not the answer IMO. It will take more than 16 votes to end the war. Any vetoed legislation would take 68 additional Republican votes in the House before it could even get to the floor of the Senate where it then would require the additional 16 Republican votes.

gqmartinez wrote on May 15, 2007 12:33 PM:

I don't like downrating posts, but this comment is an absurd reading of what Greg said. He never implied that Edwards obvious strategy makes him less viable.

qsays wrote on May 15, 2007 12:38 PM:

Well, he can't legislate because he's not in office. This is not to say he's not laid out an exit strategy.

http://johnedwards.com/news/headlines/20070214-iraq-plan/

Does anyone have the text of Clinton or Obama's (or Dodd's, Gravel's, Bayh's or Biden's?)?

Michael Bacon wrote on May 15, 2007 12:42 PM:

Since Senator Edwards is clearly dedicated to public service, and takes his responsibility to his constituents seriously, I have no doubt that he will use the seat he won in re-election in 2004 to support this bill. Actions speak louder than words, and I'm sure we can all count on my good Senator to do everything he can to see Feingold-Reid passes. It's a good thing he held onto that seat and didn't allow it to fall into Republican hands!

Oh, wait...

hoppycalif2 wrote on May 15, 2007 12:53 PM:

As Fuzz pointed out, it doesn't take 67 votes for the Senate to stop the Iraq occupation. It takes the absence of 51 votes in favor of any funding measure to support that occupation. It becomes more clear every day that Congress needs to continue to send Bush identical bills that authorize spending money only for withdrawal of forces from Iraq, after some specific date, and that date should be sooner with each bill.

Edwards is not in position to be a player in this Congressional battle. That is not a knock on Edwards, just a statement of fact. As a citizen he has every right to call for Congress to do whatever he wants them to do, but so do I.

Hoppy in Sacramento

hadenough wrote on May 15, 2007 12:58 PM:

Obama Offers Plan to Stop Escalation of Iraq War, Begin Phased Redeployment of Troops
http://obama.senate.gov/press/070130-obama_offers_plan_to_stop_escalation_of_iraq_war_begin_phased_redeployment_of_troops/index.html

Clinton Plan to End War:
http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=269481

And now Hillary has teamed up with Byrd.

Senator Clinton Announces Legislation to End Authority for Iraq War
http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=273572

The Obama and Hillary bills are pretty close to Edwards.

puissant wrote on May 15, 2007 1:03 PM:

Hoppy, I agree with you and Fuzz. Congress should not send any more bills to the President.

Why is Congress unable to see this or why are they willing to continue to send new bills with changes? Bush has had his way for over 5 years, isn't it time for the American people to have their way with Congress as our elected repreentatives not caving into his obdurancy? What are they afraid of? surely, they do not believe they will be castigated as inflexible after 5 years of a failed policy, are they?

terry hallinan0 wrote on May 15, 2007 1:04 PM:

You need 67 votes to end the Iraq War

Nonsense.

You need 50 max in the Senate or half of the House to refuse to fund the killing.

Best, Terry

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Farm Factory wrote on May 15, 2007 1:35 PM:

Here's an idea: Edwards is so keen on what Congress should do, maybe he should run for his Senate seat again rather than President.

Sorry, just sick of Edwards crowing from the bleachers. Don't trust a guy who finds his voice at a safe distance.

joejoejoe wrote on May 15, 2007 2:32 PM:

And then leave it to competency of George W. Bush to responsibly redeploy the troops out of Iraq?

Please.

There is about $60 billion dollars in Defense related spending in various federal agencies like State and Energy, another $45 billion in intelligence spending, and $530 billion dollars in Defense spending before you get to a single penny for Iraq. I want out of Iraq as badly as anyone but you need an affirmative action by Congress to end the war, not simply 'not funding' the war. Bush can illegally shift funds from elsewhere in the budget just as he shifted funds appropriated for Afghanistan into Iraq War planning in 2002. If there isn't a supermajority to end the war there won't be a supermajority to hold Bush accountable for Iran-Contra style appropriations for Iraq.

The only way to end the war before '09 is to make Bush impotent and the only thing that makes him impotent is a veto-proof majority in Congress.

Michael Bacon wrote on May 15, 2007 2:46 PM:

Amen.

At some point, I'm going to get over his deriliction of duty as my Senator.

Just not yet...

oleeb wrote on May 15, 2007 2:52 PM:

Why is everyone carping about Edwards when what he is doing is, regardless of what you think if him personally and/or his motives, pushing all the others to the left. We need the debate on the war and many other issues to be further to the left regardless of the outcome of the vote on Feingold/Reid. I say good for Edwards and good for the Democratic Party that one candidate is challenging others to do what ought to be done. Why single out Edwards for somehow being calculating or having some other motive for doing what he is doing. They can all be criticized on that sort of basis. It goes with the territory. I saw on TPM that Obama says he'll vote yes in response to Edwards' challenge. Who knows what his position might have been otherwise? We don't. Again I say, good for Edwards! Keep pressuring them all to the left regardless!

puissant wrote on May 15, 2007 3:43 PM:

Why single out Edwards for somehow being calculating or having some other motive for doing what he is doing. They can all be criticized on that sort of basis. It goes with the territory. I saw on TPM that Obama says he'll vote yes in response to Edwards' challenge. Who knows what his position might have been otherwise? We don't. Again I say, good for Edwards! Keep pressuring them all to the left regardless!

My problem Oleeb with what Edwards is doing is that he has no dog in this fight other than political opportunism. He will not vote so to badger others to take up a position that he himself failed to take when he sat on the Intelligence Cmte in the Senate and should have known NOT to vote for the AUMF is unseemly and craven. Edwards apology does not excuse that he failed to exercise the power invested in him in the best interest of the American people, yet now he wants to sit on the side line and yammer about how others should cast their vote? Sorry, it just looks petty and pandering. Where was Edwards courage of conviction when he himself could have exercised it?

He is not encouraging Obama or Clinton..he is simply acting out of political expediency...after all he was the one who raised the issue regarding 'high falutin' language and searching ones' own conscious during the debate. He was the only candidate to take a stab at his opponents orther than Kucinich.

Edwards needs to sit down and be quiet on this issue or we need to make him explain just how he came to his decision when he sat on the INtelligence cmte and the ranking member Bob Graham on that committe voted no. Why did he go against the ranking member of his party and why wasn't he one of the 7 Senators who read the CLASSIFIED intelligence report that was not releashed to the public prior to casting his vote?. And why didn't he vote for the Levin amendment which would have not given the President a blank check?.

Before Edwards starts hectoring others about how to vote in the Senate he needs to stand up and give a detailed explanation for his own actions that contributed to the quagmire that America is now in.

That rambling pathetic excuse of an apology he gave on MTP to Russert is unacceptable. Talking about finding out about Elizabeth's cancer and whatnot...yet now he insists that he will run for President. If her illness made his thinking befuddled and disorganized, which is understandble, I can accept that..but not his coming back now and challenging others to act with courage and conviction after he failed to do so.

No other vote is more important than taking this country to war and jeopardizing American lives for the cost of this country's freedoms. Edwards failed to stand up when he should have so he needs to sit down and shut up now.

Tom Fisher wrote on May 15, 2007 3:49 PM:

The hit about Edwards not commenting on Reid/Feingold is not really accurate or complete.

It is true that Politico's Smith today wrote "(It was only a month ago that he was refusing to comment on Reid-Feingold, but that's another story.)" Politico snark aside, if you actually go to Edwards refusal to comment, Edwards was not answering specifics about one of many bills pending in the Senate. He was certainly not stating his own substantive views on the war. Instead, he said that he would not get drawn into taking positions on the legislation.

That bill is now scheduled for a vote: Edwards is no longer commenting on a bill selected by a reporter, but on a calendar item senators should vote on: Edwards says senators should vote for the bill. These views are not inconsistent as implied by Saregent's post and Edwards has been consistently strong in his positions on the war.

Critiques about Edwards's vote as a senator are fine--many otherwise good representatives and senators voted for the Iraq resolution (and many really good ones voted "no"). Those who voted for it, including some very progressive senators, should be embarrassed and apologetic.

But since--and actually some time before--Edwards expressed his embarassment (which not everyone takes at face value, but I do) and apologized for his vote, he has been a consistent and strong voice in opposition to of this war.

Back when the conversation occurred, Politico thought Edwards "made sense" and that Edwards added further defense of the Reid /Feingold position:

I got a chance to ask Edwards about this after a New York dinner last night, and his answer boiled down to this: He's not in the Senate, isn't running for Senate, and isn't getting dragged into taking positions on specific pieces of legislation. Which makes sense.

He did reiterate something he's said before, a defense of the Reid-Feingold position: That if Bush vetoes a series of Democratic funding authorizations for their attached strings, "The President of the United States has decided not to fund" the troops.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0407/Edwards_and_ReidFeingold.html

terry hallinan0 wrote on May 15, 2007 4:01 PM:

Edwards failed to stand up when he should have so he needs to sit down and shut up now.

Why?

I like what he is saying. Why shouldn't everyone who is against this damnable war?

Best, Terry

JayAckroyd wrote on May 15, 2007 4:19 PM:

Can we please stop treating Politico as a news source? It's not. It's a Republican media front, funded by Albrittan to advance Republican messages via Drudge.

Do you think it was a coincidence that Harris showed up at the Reagan library to moderate the Republican "debate?"

hrebendorf wrote on May 15, 2007 5:31 PM:

Imagine being a working stiff who scraps together fifty bucks or so to donate to Edwards, only to see it get blown on ONE EIGHTH of one of his 400-dollar haircuts. Doesn't exactly inspire faith in Edwards' "two Americas" schtick when you know he's living in the OTHER America.

slcathena wrote on May 15, 2007 5:50 PM:

Particularly since he seemed to knowingly cow-tow to pressure when he had the chance to vote his conscience.

Thank you for saying this, I've been thinking it for weeks.

oleeb wrote on May 15, 2007 6:14 PM:

I understqand that you don't like Edwards and don't "forgive" his vote on the Iraq invasion or accept his explanation. Fine. You've certainly a right to your opinion on it and I'm sure you're not alone.

What I don't understand is your insistence that 1)he should now have nothing to say on the subject as that makes no sense for a Presidential candidate to be silent on the number one issue currently, and 2) that you believe that his actions and statements concerning what to do now about the war are opportunistic as though that would be unique amongst those running for President. They are all opportunists, chiefly Obama at this point in time in my view as he did not set out to run for President but now is exploiting his newness, etc.. opportunistically taking advantage of a window that may never be open again for him and I have no problem with that. Opportunism and politics go hand in hand. None of them is running for Saint after all.

Neither of the two reasons you give seem to me to negate the fact that Edwards' challenge to Obama and Clinton today pushes the debate further to the left which is a good thing in my view and certainly in the view of most Democrats at this stage. The impact is to harden the resistance to Bush's insistence on continuing the war forever because Edwards is forcing the leaders in the race to the left on the war. And Edwards' more leftish positions on other matters has the same beneficial effect on our national dialogue. I just don't see how that's bad.

Tom Fisher wrote on May 15, 2007 7:22 PM:

This is an excellent point, but Sargent keeps citing Politico's Ben Smith on Reid/Feingold. Why is that?

Adam Terando wrote on May 15, 2007 9:59 PM:

Thanks for perpetuating the right-wing smear.

So you really believe that he's the only candidate to spend a lot of money on the campaign for items and services that others could never afford? I guess only rich people should donate to campaigns and only poor people should run for president (or at least only poor people can claim to care about other poor people and run for president).

Adam Terando wrote on May 15, 2007 10:05 PM:

Never let the facts get in the way of a good angle on a story.

terry hallinan0 wrote on May 16, 2007 8:46 AM:

Thanks for perpetuating the right-wing smear.

Unfortunately these smears beloved by the pop press do their work more effectively than Rove can manage.

If Edwards shaved his head and moved into a one-room hovel, he would be no different would he?

All the candidates live at a level far above that of most voters - except for maybe Mike Gravel who said he had been hiding under a rock for the past few years.

At an Obama organization meeting, I expressed my opinion that Hillary was likely to fade and maybe not even be a factor by the time they started counting the votes for delegates. Wishful thinking perhaps but I suggested Edwards was the most likely threat to Obama. Heard a lot about Edwards' hair even then but not one word about his policies.

Best, Terry

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