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Rudy: "We Should Not Allow" Criticism Like That Of MoveOn Against Petraeus

By Greg Sargent - September 21, 2007, 12:40PM

Here's another intriguing quote from Rudy's speech before the NRA today, this one addressing the MoveOn ad criticizing General Petraeus:

"Whether you agree with the war in Iraq or you don't; whether you agree with the surge or you don't; Democrats even came back from Iraq and said that he's having more success than anybody had thought.
"So to attack the man's integrity, and honesty, and decency, is in my view indecent. It passed a line that we should not allow American political organizations to pass."

"We should not allow" -- that's very suggestive. Does Rudy favor legal measures prohibiting criticism of military leaders? Does he favor legal curbs on ad hominem political speech in general? It's a question that one might put directly to the Giuliani campaign.

More soon.

Comments (25)

oleeb wrote on September 21, 2007 12:52 PM:

It's sad to see someone who once had at least a claim to being a decent public official become so consumed by the lust for power that he turns himself into nothing but a cheap political whore.

But enough about McCain!

Giuliani is just an insane asshole. I can't tell which would be more dangerous if elected, Rudy or Mitt.

phil james wrote on September 21, 2007 12:57 PM:

No. Not at all. He's not advocating such legal prohibitions (unless they can be targeted exclusively at Democratic, liberal, progressive, or other less than desirable political organizations). Certainly he is not advocating any curbs whatsoever on the mean-spirited filth that emanates from the Coulter-wing of his Republican Party. He is merely doing what all good demagogues do when seeking higher office. He's blathering to his base.

four legs good wrote on September 21, 2007 1:02 PM:

Gee, did Rudy feel that way about the swiftboat assholes?

This sounds like a good question for the YouTube debate.

poetry wrote on September 21, 2007 1:04 PM:

OF COURSE Rudy Giuliani wants to limit or prohibit any political speech with which he disagrees.

If Giuliani were to become president, I wager he would make as one of his first Executive Orders the criminalization of any speech against anyone in the military or anyone in the Giuliani administration, including President Rudy.

Rudy Giuliani hates the Constitution and everything it is established to protect.

If you all don't get it through your heads that we have more to fear from a Giuliani presidency than from even this Bush presidency, you are bound to wake up one day in great shock.

Bush wanted to persuade us he is special, but Rudy Giuliani KNOWS he is "special" and that rules and laws are not meant for him.

Rudy Giuliani has visions of being the sort of ruler this nation has never seen, not even with Bush.

When he was NYC mayor, Giuliani tried to shut down the highly respected Brooklyn Museum of Art when it exhibited a painting that offended him.

You think Rudy would not move to criminalize any criticism of him, his administration and anyone in the military?

jeff Grunewald wrote on September 21, 2007 1:17 PM:

Rudy Mussoliniani Today:
Second Amendment Good
First Amendment Bad
That's OK. We weren't using the Constitution anyway. Might as well dissolve the Supreme Court, too, since their job is to interpret the Constitution. Leave it up to The Leader.
When is the veneer going to be peeled off of this maniac, to show the ugly underneath?
He's cookin' meth. I can smell it.

Not the senator wrote on September 21, 2007 1:26 PM:

I hear there is speculation that this Move-On question at the press conference was pre-arranged with Bill Sammon of the right-wing Washington Examiner.

Don't you think collusion to manipulate the national press might be a good story? Is anyone on it?

HipHopLawyer wrote on September 21, 2007 1:26 PM:

Will someone please pose your suggested question to Giuliani or at least his campaign? I think voters deserve to know just exactly how authoritarian Giuliani's presidency will be.

By the way, I've always thought of NRA folks as big supporters of the bill of rights. I know most of them probably lean toward the pro-military, so they would disagree with what was said in the MoveOn ad, but it is hard for me to believe that your rank-and-file NRAer would support abridging MoveOn's right to say it.

preAmerikkkan wrote on September 21, 2007 1:35 PM:

what it has come to is having to acknowledge the fact that if you post here and are critical, you are on a list somewhere for "further review". how does that sound, amurkkka?

two books worth re-reading. Joe Haldeman's "The Forever War" and George Orwells "1984".

Post anyway, let them jail all of us, just be nice to those with you behind bars, will you?

CT Voter wrote on September 21, 2007 1:40 PM:

It's a question that one might put directly to the Giuliani campaign.

Well, have it, Election Central!

And while you're at it, ask him how he feels about how John Kerry and Max Cleland were treated in the 2004 election.

Wait. Rudy was too busy making money off 9/11 that year to notice.

Well, ask him anyway.

August J. Pollak wrote on September 21, 2007 1:54 PM:

I'm failing to see how the concept that Rudy Giuliani virulently hates the First Amendment is anything remotely identifiable as news.

gcs wrote on September 21, 2007 1:56 PM:

But of course the treasonous lies and intentional disinformation and toxic filth that spew forth daily from the cowardly puppets the Right Wing employs - the sick whore Ann Coulter, the imbecile Bill O'Reilly and that fat fuck drug addict hypocrite Limbaugh are all okay, I suppose.

Rudy is not just dangerous for this country, he's a dictator in the making. And his whore - our generation's Eva Braun - is a power mad shrew who makes Lady Macbeth look like Mary Poppins. He's probably driven to say anything not so much by the lust for personal power, but just to shut that bitch up.

This clown was a joke when he was mayor, and he's a joke now. It won't be so funny though if he gets anywhere near the WH where he can finish Bush's job of turning this country into a police state.

Anonymous wrote on September 21, 2007 1:57 PM:

If Giuliani is elected there will be a second American Civil War.

Northern Observer wrote on September 21, 2007 2:35 PM:

The clownish fascism of Rudy would be funny if he wasn't the GOP frontrunner. I agree with the poster above, social unrest is in store if this irresponsible fantabulist is nominated to run, let alone elected to the highest office in America. Rudy is the gutter candidate of 2008.

Ebenezer wrote on September 21, 2007 2:38 PM:

I think you all need to need to watch what you say.

NJ Lawyer wrote on September 21, 2007 2:55 PM:

What Rudy's proposals apply to Saxby Chambliss for smearing Max Clelland, or Bush for having his surrogates smear McCain's and Kerry's war records?

If not, such selective outrage makes Rudy a hypocrite of ginormous proportions.

Caribbean Amphibian wrote on September 21, 2007 3:09 PM:

What's next Rudy? Send the Republican Gestapo to arrest Keith Olbermann because he made fun of military man for letting himself become a puppet for the Administration.

Better yet, maybe he should focus on shutting down the Daily Show and sending Jon Stewart to the firing line.

WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THIS COUNTRY?!!! Freedom of speech...bye-bye. Freedom of the Press...bye-bye. Political dissent now equals terrorism. Did I transport back in time to 1940's Germany?

poetry wrote on September 21, 2007 5:28 PM:

Everyone here should take note that on two recent comment boards here at TPM, an awful lot of posters thought it No Big Deal that the senate had taken time from its busy schedule to pass a resolution CONDEMNING POLITICAL SPEECH the Republicans did not "approve" of -- and 22 Democrats were COWED into going along with that CONDEMNATION.

Now, Rudy Giuliani thinks there should be some sort of PROHIBITION on any political speech of which Mr. Giuliani does not "approve."

People, this is SERIOUS stuff.

This is NOT something "trivial" or "unimportant" -- it is government figures CONDEMNING a political group's EXERCISE of its FREE SPEECH RIGHTS as protected in the Constitution of the United States.

Everyone who reads this MUST WRITE letters to the editors and WAKE UP the newspaper editors of this country.

You will note that no Republicans condemned Ann Coulter when she thought it would be great if terrorists set off a bomb in front of The New York Times.

No Republicans -- and certainly not Rudy Giuliani -- denounced the SwiftBoaters when they put up an ad smearing a DECORATED Vietnam veteran, John Kerry.

No Republicans -- and certainly not Rudy Giuliani -- denounced the ads that linked another Vietnam vet, Max Cleland, to Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.

The only political speech these Republicans CONDEMN -- and in the case of Rudy Giuliani wish to prohibit -- is the speech with which they disagree.

Do you not see where this is heading?

Rudy Giuliani MUST be exposed for the fascist dictator wannabe he is.

Go to work. Get busy.

Tell your friends.

Tell your family.

Tell your colleagues at work.

Tell them about the REAL Rudy Giuliani -- and do it before it is too late.

SweetAuntFanny wrote on September 22, 2007 12:53 AM:

Note to Rudy: It's called "Freedom of Speech" -- that's F-R-E-E-D-O-M. I know this is a foreign concept to you, but give it a chance. I hear most democracies are in favor of it!

Uh, you do know what a democracy is, don't ya? It's what we used to have here.

footsore wrote on September 22, 2007 10:18 AM:

What a turd.
footsore

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