Election Central | Talking Points Memo | Rudy Talks About Cancer In New Radio Ad, Bashes Socialized Medicine

Rudy Talks About Cancer In New Radio Ad, Bashes Socialized Medicine

By Eric Kleefeld - October 29, 2007, 4:20PM

Rudy Giuliani has a new radio ad in New Hampshire, in which he discusses his experience with prostate cancer, then attacks plans for government-administered health care and in turn promotes his idea of encouraging people to become individual policyholders.

"My chance of surviving prostate cancer, and thank God I was cured of it, in the United States, 82%," Rudy says. "My chances of surviving prostate cancer in England, only 44% under socialized medicine.

"You and I should be making the decisions about what kind of health care we get with our doctors, not with a government bureaucrat."

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Jane wrote on October 29, 2007 4:32 PM:

So you have insurance?

But overall the life spans are healthier, happier and longer in Britain and other countries with universal health care.

So probably just British prudishness keeping the men from getting checked ... nothing to do with the health system at all.

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Hey---when he's right he's right. Telling it like it is. Calling a spade a spade.

Of course, when he's wrong, as in this case, and as happens so often, he is not right.

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Shouldn't you at least note that, you know, NONE of the Dem frontrunners is proposing "socialized medicine" a la England or anything remotely like it?

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My guess is that there is a severe fact check coming down the pike for this claim very shortly...

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Here's some facts from National Cancer Intelligence Centre, Office for National Statistics, London, UK

Relative survival from prostate cancer for cases diagnosed in England and Wales during 1993–95 was 84% at 1 year and 60% at 5 years [5], overall apparent increases of 20 and 30 percentage points, respectively, since the early 1970s [6] (Fig. 5). There was no improvement nationally or in any of the regions in the late 1980s. However, during the early 1990s, when there were large increases in the numbers of PSA tests, there were increases in 1- and 5-year survival of 2 and 7 percentage points, respectively, for men diagnosed in 1991–93 [7]; an additional 2 and 6 percentage points, respectively, for men diagnosed in 1992–94 [8]; and yet further increases of 2 and 5 percentage points, respectively, for men diagnosed in 1993–95 [5].

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Hey, Rudy, tell me what kind of individual insurance this is where you and your doctor get to decide everything, and no bureaucrats are involved? Or are insurance-company bureaucrats whose free-market incentive is to figure out how to avoid paying somehow better than government ones?

And how much does being an "individual policyholder" with that level of insurance cost? Is it something that's affordable for those of us who haven't made millions hyping our role in 9/11? Do you even know?

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My husband had prostate cancer. He, like many other survivors, has used the experience to mentor and help educate other men about what to do to weather this disease. Giuliani has proven himself a true fear-mongering thug with this misleading and shameful ad. Fear a Giuliani-Hucklebee ticket.

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Rudy seems intend on spreading the myth that socialized medicine will be compulsory. It won't be here, nor has it ever been in the UK.

No doubt, Rudy got the best private cancer treatment that money can buy. Guess what? He could have done exactly the same thing it he had been living in Britain at the time.

The only true test would be to compare the survival rates of low income cancer patients between the two countries. I am guessing that the under and uninsured in the US don't come out too well from that comparison.

GreenVTster wrote on October 29, 2007 9:24 PM:

So did Rudy have socialized, government-run and financed Medicare at the time, or was he under a special elected officials-only socialized, government-run and financed plan when he got this great care?

Looks like he didn't let the facts of actual survival rates get in the way of making his point.

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I love how when you go to Rudy's presidential web site, this ad is front and center. You'd think it would removed immediately once the fact were found to be incorrect, but I guess the fake fact are more fun than reality.

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