Rudy Surrogate: "I Don't Subscribe To The Principle That There Are Good Muslims And Bad Muslims"
John Deady, the co-chair of New Hampshire Veterans for Rudy, is standing by the comments he made in the controversial interview with The Guardian we posted on below, in which he said that "the Muslims" need to be chased "back to their caves."
In an interview with me, Deady confirmed that when he made the comments, he was referring to all Muslims.
"I don't subscribe to the principle that there are good Muslims and bad Muslims," Deady told me by phone from his home in New Hampshire. "They're all Muslims."
When a mere campaign volunteer to Hillary got caught forwarding the madrassa email about Barack Obama, it was national news for days and she had to quit the campaign. While the parallel isn't perfect, Deady's comments are more explosive than the act of forwarding the email is, and Deady is more than a mere volunteer to Rudy's campaign.
Indeed, Deady was designated by the campaign in a press release as the co-chair of Veterans for Rudy. The release describes him as a surrogate, saying: "Veterans for Rudy will continue to build this coalition to help communicate Mayor Giuliani’s optimistic vision for America and his proven track record of real results to New Hampshire voters."
While I'm not suggesting at all that Deady was speaking for the Rudy campaign, the question is whether these comments -- which again are arguably more controversial than the Hillary volunteer's forwarding of the madrassa email -- will garner anywhere near the same level of attention and whether the Rudy camp will have anything to say about them.
Asked if he stood by his comments in the earlier Guardian interview, Deady said:
"I most assuredly do. I've been very concerned about this Muslim thing for quite awhile. The average American does not know beans about what the Muslims are about. I am talking about the Muslims in general. I don't subscribe to the principle that there are good Muslims and bad Muslims. They're all Muslims."
In the earlier interview with The Guardian, Deady said of Muslims: "We need to keep the feet to the fire and keep pressing these people until we defeat or chase them back to their caves or in other words get rid of them."
When I asked Deady to elaborate on his suggestion that we need to "get rid" of Muslims, Deady said:
"When I say get rid of them, I wasn't necessarily referring to genocide. What I was referring to is, stand up to them every time they stick up their heads and attack us. We can't afford to say, `We'll try diplomacy.' They don't respond to it. If you look into Islamic tradition, a treaty is only good for five years. We're not dealing with a rational mindset here. We're dealing with madmen."
When I asked Deady if this was also a reference to all Muslims, he said: "I am talking about Muslims in general."
I asked Deady if he thinks Rudy shares his views of Muslims. Deady replied: "Does he see the Muslim problem [this way]? I can't honestly say that he does. I've heard him make statements that approach this type of thing, that we've got to stand up to these people. I don't think he's a cowboy, but I think he understands what he's up against."
At another point in our talk, Deady came out in favor of racial profiling when, for instance, searching airline passengers before boarding. "Instead of goosing every little old lady," Deady said, "why not take a look at those people who are between the ages of 18 and 38 and are acting strange?"
Deady also said at one point: "I'm not a bigot really. I may sound like one. But I'm only quoting what's factual."
The Rudy campaign didn't immediately return a request for comment.
Late Update: Finally! A big news org gets it right on Rudy's alleged advantage on terror.
Comments (131)
Anonymous wrote on December 28, 2007 5:56 PM:Yes, let's do see whether the press descends on Giuliani quite like it did to Hillary.
Signed,
Not a Hillary fan, not holding my breath, either
Greg wrote on December 28, 2007 6:03 PM:not gonna happen is it. wonder why not?
Peter H wrote on December 28, 2007 6:04 PM:Remember that this is a Republican primary, so it's not like a lot of voters are going to be offended by that rhetoric. There's a huge amount of the Republican electorate that loathes Muslims & Islam.
yesterday gone wrote on December 28, 2007 6:07 PM:hillary shares rudy's disdain for minorities.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1Mq8kOXV_E
agreed, peter. one of my main interests in this is to highlight the press' double standard on this kind of thing
ralphbon wrote on December 28, 2007 6:10 PM:Just in under the wire in the category of Clarification of the Year:
When I say get rid of them, I wasn't necessarily referring to genocide.
P J Evans wrote on December 28, 2007 6:13 PM:"I'm not a bigot really. I may sound like one. But I'm only quoting what's factual."
Oh my aching clavicle.
This guy shouldn't be allowed out without a keeper. (That's so he can go back a second time to apologize for teh stoopid. I don't think he could find his way back on his own.)
what will rudy's close friend, the al qaeda harboring sheik from qatar, think of this?
Tom wrote on December 28, 2007 6:25 PM:Good point Peter H.
I think the Hillary comparison is a weak one.
Deady's comments are probably very popular among Republicans.
"When I say get rid of them, I wasn't necessarily referring to genocide."
But you know, if genocide DOES occur - well, them's the breaks.
Phlogiston wrote on December 28, 2007 6:29 PM:Let's hope Rudy chases this guy back to his padded cell, before chasing any muslims into caves.
There are two things in this world that I hate; prejudice, and republicans.
just to clarify on the Hillary comparison, again, my main point here is to highlight the media double standard on this kind of stuff.
it's not a perfect parallel, but it nonetheless illustrates the point adequately.
mooster wrote on December 28, 2007 6:40 PM:I'm glad he pointed out that he's not a bigot, because he's right: he does sound like one.
roo_P wrote on December 28, 2007 6:41 PM:I think you can drop the "arguably" from comparison to the lame Obama "rumours."
This guy is seriously deranged.
GSD wrote on December 28, 2007 6:42 PM:We'll settle with decimation instead of genocide.
-Rudy's Ethnic Cleansing Adviser
Dan wrote on December 28, 2007 6:47 PM:Is there more to this part?
At another point in our talk, Deady came out in favor of racial profiling when, for instance, searching airline passengers before boarding. "Instead of goosing every little old lady," Deady said, "why not take a look at those people who are between the ages of 18 and 38 and are acting strange?"
That seems more like behavior profiling (with an age component). Did he say something else that led you to say he was in favor of racial profiling?
CalD wrote on December 28, 2007 7:12 PM:For a guy who is "not a bigot really." He certainly walks like a bigot and quacks like a bigot.
Anon wrote on December 28, 2007 7:27 PM:"I wasn't NECESSARILY referring to genocide." But, hey, if genocide does the trick and I feel like it that day, why not?
"I'm not a bigot really. I may sound like one. But I'm only quoting what's factual.": The guy is obviously nutso, completely ga-ga. He belongs in a nursing home. Watching Bill O'Reilly.
zac wrote on December 28, 2007 7:28 PM:Well, a mere Clinton volunteer was actually two Clinton county coordinators. Just so you know.
urbino wrote on December 28, 2007 7:33 PM:Remember that this is a Republican primary, so it's not like a lot of voters are going to be offended by that rhetoric.
Bingo.
If anything, this will boost Rudy's numbers in the primaries. Not just because of what Deady said, but because he came right out and said it. It'll make him a folk hero, and Rudy will benefit by association.
Freewheelin' Freddie wrote on December 28, 2007 7:41 PM:After reading this guys shtick, hey, I thought the comedy writers were on strike??
You can't make this stuff up I guess.
DemAC wrote on December 28, 2007 7:51 PM:"When I say get rid of them, I wasn't necessarily referring to genocide."
Wow. Just wow.
DemAC wrote on December 28, 2007 7:56 PM:Dan,
I think the fact that he’s not against genocide per se, makes whether he’s for or against racial profiling kind of moot.
Did he just antagonize some of our key Middle East allies such as Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, etc.? How does alienating these allies help us in the GWOT?
yesterday gone wrote on December 28, 2007 8:44 PM:is this the end of the updates?
for you edwards people, he has an interview on abc evening news.
Urban Sombrero,
It is not GWOT, it is GWOI.
dweb wrote on December 28, 2007 9:42 PM:I predict this guy will soon have his own column in either TIME or the NY Times. After all, he's about as sane as Bill Kristol and Billy just got a slot on the Times.
HolyRomanUmpire wrote on December 28, 2007 9:50 PM:You know, every once in a while, when listening to very very left-wing members of the Democratic Party, I think to myself "well, both parties have their crazies."
But then something like this (or the entire Huckabee surge) comes along and proves me TOTALLY WRONG.
The truth is that both parties have moderate and radical members, but when it comes to bat-poop-insane the GOP has us whooped!
PS - Speaking of bat-poop-insane, I was talking to a GOP friend of mine yesterday and he said something like "I'm for McCain because he's against torture." "Oh, well," I replied, "it's good to see you're setting the bar high."
slcathena wrote on December 28, 2007 10:48 PM:Between this whack job and Podhoretz I can safely say nothing scares me more than a Guiliani Administration.
GSD wrote on December 29, 2007 12:58 AM:Has Rudy appointed a Secretary of Genocide to his shadow cabinet yet?
-GSD
yeearrgghh wrote on December 29, 2007 2:27 AM:"When I say get rid of them, I wasn't necessarily referring to genocide.
And I thought wingnuts couldn't do nuance.
yeearrgghh wrote on December 29, 2007 2:38 AM:"I'm not a bigot really. I may sound like one. But I'm only quoting what's factual."
Indeed. By all means, let's call a spade a spade.
If there's one thing I love more than a non-bigot, it's a forthright and unashamed non-bigot.
How refreshing. Like a splash of cold water (or hot diarrhea) on my face.
JPark wrote on December 29, 2007 3:28 AM:"Dan,
I think the fact that he’s not against genocide per se, makes whether he’s for or against racial profiling kind of moot."
That was beautiful. So understated. Great stuff!!!
JPark wrote on December 29, 2007 3:32 AM:I ran into a wall reading this. He said "What I was referring to is, stand up to them every time they stick up their heads". I could have sworn he was going to say out of the sand...but he didn't. Point for him, I guess.
Largo wrote on December 29, 2007 5:24 AM:Here's what you're up against. Terminal dumb ass that voted for Bush twice.
Recess Monkeys wrote on December 29, 2007 5:29 AM:Look at the poor old bastard. He's obviously suffering from some form of dementia, as no rational person would say those things, even IF they believed them.
Richard L. Adlof wrote on December 29, 2007 6:03 AM:Let's RUDE-ee gets his name back in the limelight by having offending a billion plus folk . . . All rational folk recoil while the base of his party get a happy hard-on.
You all think that this is a bad thing . . . But the 30%ers might be back on Judy's dreamboat.
the realist wrote on December 29, 2007 6:11 AM:now that the irish have stopped blowing up each other i must say that while all muslims are not terrorists, all terrorists seem to be muslims.
senilebiker wrote on December 29, 2007 7:01 AM:Quote
The average American does not know beans about what the Muslims are about.
Unquote
I guess this makes this guy an average American. As someone who has been living in the middle East for the last two years, travelling to seven countries in the region, I guess I know a hell of a sight more than he does.
And there is no such thing as a standard Muslim, any more than there is a standard Christian or American.
One thing is for sure, there are very few Muslims that support the US foreign policy towards either Israel or Iraq, but then outside of the 30% retards in the US, there are very few people in the world support US foreign policy. However, that doesn't mean that the 95% of the world's population are terrorists plotting to blow up Wendy's in Olatha Kansas.
DrBB wrote on December 29, 2007 9:34 AM:I'm actually most interested in where he picked up this factoid: "If you look into Islamic tradition, a treaty is only good for five years." Since his "research" into "Islamic tradition" presumably extends no farther than something he heard on Limbaugh or found in some Regnery-published piece of hackwork, it might be interesting to know what right wing pseudo-expert he's channeling here, just as a matter of tracing his wingnut pedigree.
realist wrote on December 29, 2007 9:41 AM:to senilebiker, you are senile aren't you? you may have been to 7 mid-east counties in 2 years, big deal. at the end of the day they hate you and me. their radical leaders have stated their intentions, and, if they could they would blow up that wendy's in kansas. mind your back while you are over there, wouldn't want anything to happen to you.
Michael A wrote on December 29, 2007 10:07 AM:Seig heil!!! These bozos are scary.
Apparently bin laden is supposed to release another vidio tape before the iowa caucuses. This guy obviously is trying to influence american elections and he wants the loonies like Mr. 9/11 to get elected. Gee, I wonder why? So that they will send americans into their back yard to get killed and maimed. Of course that is his gameplan. Hopefully americans won't be suckers again this time.
Bob Dob wrote on December 29, 2007 10:49 AM:At its core, Islam is a violent religion. Muhammad was a killer (either a murderer or a warrior, depending upon your views concerning the slaughter of your fellow man). If the root is rotten, how can the fruit be any good? I've got to agree that things don't look so good for the possibility of civilizing a people who are willing to riot or kill their fellow man over a frikking newspaper cartoon or a perceived verbal or written insult to their "prophet".
Deady's right: Islam is not a religion. It's a repressive, authoritarian pseudo-religious Mafia and a threat to civilization. The sooner the rest of the world stops listening to the apologists and starts reading the Koran for themselves, the sooner we can deal with Islam in a more effective way.
GSD wrote on December 29, 2007 10:49 AM:Realist,
Unless you are talking about domestic terrorists, then most of them are white, Christian males who like blowing up Olympic Parks, abortion clinics and federal buildings.
-GSD
realist wrote on December 29, 2007 11:19 AM:of course a few exceptions, lets not forget waco and ruby ridge. lets also not forget 9-11, uss cole, embassy in sudan and kenya. the hundreds of terror attacks in israel and europe, all done by the muslims. acts of terror are mostly carried out by muslims, you can find others, but in todays world 95% are muslims. and they are killing other muslims most of the time. now stop being picky, you know i'm right. don't tell me its because they are oppressed or anything else. there are no good resons for any terror attacks. real men don't do them, only cowards. lets you and me condem ALL terror , ok?????
Bob Dob wrote on December 29, 2007 11:42 AM:realist:
To an Islamic fundamentalist, an act of terror is not an act of terror, nor is it cowardly. It is instead a righteous and heroic (and even necessary) act of religious jihad. When Mohammed Bouyeri murdered Theo Van Gogh by first shooting him and then cutting his throat (and then pinning a five-page note to his corpse with a knife), he was simply defending the "prophet" and standing up for Allah. He was being a good, fundamentalist Muslim. His violent act was demanded of him by the teachings of the "prophet". This is why Islam is so dangerous--because this phony excuse for a religion not only sanctions violence, in many cases it demands it.
To all who haven't studied the Koran for themselves: stop listening to the lies of the apologists and read it for yourselves. Get to know the world's most popular playbook for depraved lunatics.
Bowa wrote on December 29, 2007 11:44 AM:What a partisan hack this reporter is.
Sargent writes "While I'm not suggesting at all that Deady was speaking for the Rudy campaign"
Then why did you write the article?
realist wrote on December 29, 2007 12:07 PM:BOB DOB you make some good points, whether or not the muslim believes he is a coward when doing terror doesn't matter. killing innocent people IS cowardly. if he does it in the name of God he is wrong, and when he meets his Maker he will learn that what he has done is wrong. the SS in WW2 thought they were right, that doesn't make it so. to reduce it even further, if i am hungry i may justify its ok to steal a loaf of bread, but a real man would ask the store owner if he could do some work to earn the loaf of bread. when the terrorist blows himself up he feels little pain, he is here one second, gone the next. all it takes is a fool, not a brave man, to do that.
Bob Dob wrote on December 29, 2007 12:19 PM:realist:
What about an American soldier fighting in Iraq? Is there any justification within the teachings of Christ for killing a fellow human being--even during a time of war? My thought is that a fundamentalist Christian can not, under any circumstance, kill another person and still call themselves a follower of Christ, while a fundamentalist Muslim is can safely follow the teachings (as well as the example) of Muhammad and not only kill others but feel justified and even required in some cases to so.
steve wrote on December 29, 2007 12:40 PM:mr. deady is exactly correct about good and bad muslims. there are no moderate or extreme muslims. their koran teaches lie if it benefits them kill if one fails to convert.
Dave of Maryland wrote on December 29, 2007 12:50 PM:What a filthy discussion.
Islam is the educational center of the world. Always has been. The Renaissance was based on the reimportation of Greek philosophy which had been preserved by Islam. Knowledge which had previously been lost in Europe.
In a sane, multi-cultural society, a well-educated Muslim would be a leading contender for Secretary of Education.
For that matter, if you were serious about preserving family farms, you would consider some nice Amish guy as Secretary of Agriculture. Amish family farms are the only viable family farms in this country. Not only are they profitable, Amish farms, Amish communities are expanding.
Well, no Amish would take the job. But the closely allied Mennonites would. Anybody serious about education? Farms?
What's the point of a multi-cultural society if we're all forced to wear yellow stars & live in ghettos?
Rod C. Venger wrote on December 29, 2007 12:51 PM:How sad that Mr. Deady should be punished for being politically incorrect, though I doubt if Rudy is the one to do what needs doing. -USAPatriot
Reynald de Chatillion wrote on December 29, 2007 12:57 PM:The quran states 29 times that Christians are fools, apostates, and are destined for hell. It states that Jesus Christ was an apostate for claiming to be the Son of God and he will burn in hell. It states that all apostates should be 'struck on the neck with a sword'.
Any muslim who does not believe the quran word for word is declared an apostate by the quran itself and should be executed.
There is no such animal as a 'good muslim'.
Reynald de Chatillon wrote on December 29, 2007 12:59 PM:
The quran states 29 times that Christians are fools, apostates, and are destined for hell. It states that Jesus Christ was an apostate for claiming to be the Son of God and he will burn in hell. It states that all apostates should be 'struck on the neck with a sword'.
Any muslim who does not believe the quran word for word is declared an apostate by the quran itself and should be executed.
There is no such animal as a 'good muslim'.
The Shadow wrote on December 29, 2007 1:13 PM:What's the point of a multi-cultural society if we're all forced to wear yellow stars & live in ghettos?
In a Mohammedan society, there would not be a need for yellow stars or ghettos.
Everyone would be a good Mohammedan or pushing up daisies.
Mohammedanism is a threat to civilization, period. The followers ahve used violence for centuries. I wish we would take back the traditional Jewish and Christian lands from the Mohammedan invaders.
Bob Dob wrote on December 29, 2007 1:19 PM:"I wish we would take back the traditional Jewish and Christian lands from the Mohammedan invaders."
You advocate the same sort of violence they practice. If you're as bad as they are, what possible difference could it make how bad they are?
Bye Bye Islam wrote on December 29, 2007 1:31 PM:What color is the sky on the planet you live on?
In case it isn't blue, maybe you should review current events. Islam is disgusting and a perversion of the word "religion". Try googling "Saudi Arabia Sharia stoning women" if you need a clue.
It is no more of a religion than is the nazis, the KKK, or even scientology. It is just a label for a bunch of wackos that are either:
1. Happy to be ignorant and armed with deadly weapons;
2. Trapped in the inability to say something or be killed;
3. Too stupid to know the difference.
People bend over way too much to make excuses for Islam. If Islam wants to prove itself than these so-called "moderate" muslims (who to me are like Santa Claus, the bunny rabbit, and the tooth fairy... often talked about but seldom see, and don't exist...) need to stand up and eliminate the wackos or face being branded by the same brush.
Kudos to Deady for saying how it is... too bad he isn't running for president.
Rasheed wrote on December 29, 2007 1:33 PM:Reynald de Chatilion, I'm muslim and I have read the quran numerous times and I would like to ask you to quote the sura and ayat you are referencing that says Jesus was a apostate and claimed to be the son of God in the quran. I also would like to know the sura and ayat in the Quran you guys are referencing. Shado, I don't know what Mohammedanism is, and I don't think you do either. Last time I checked, Muslims have never engaged in the ethnic cleansing of Jews. What are these traditional Jewish and Christian lands you're referencing and do you really think that there would be no fighting between extremist christians and Jews. I think you need to have a talk with the Palestinian christians.
Andrew wrote on December 29, 2007 1:38 PM:I have read most of the comments, if one of my fellow Amercians has already stated this, then it should be read twice. All Muslims are not terrorists, all terrorists are Muslims. Now if we ponder on this for a moment, we will see that General Black Jack Pershing had the correct idea on how to handle people who will not allow others to speak their minds and still live in relative peace.
Deady does have the right to say what he said, the First Ammendment allows this kind of speach, I have the right to agree with him. We can do one of three things: a)Get inline and agree with the Muslims, b)Disagree with Islam and willing have our heads cut off, or c) Stand up for ourselves, and meet our foe with a stronger resolve.
Look at this situation this way, when the general public wants to see a wild anaimal they go to the zoo.
Every knee shall bow, and every tounge shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
Bob Dob wrote on December 29, 2007 1:41 PM:"If Islam wants to prove itself than these so-called "moderate" muslims... need to stand up and eliminate the wackos or face being branded by the same brush."
Mixed metaphors aside, you have a point. The problem is, the "moderate" Muslims can't eliminate the wackos because the wackos are the ones who are truly following the teachings of the huckster who started this phony religion. Muhammad was a charlatan and an opportunist who came up with an idea that truly (to paraphrase L. Ron Hubbard) makes P.T. Barnum look like a piker.
Lee wrote on December 29, 2007 1:42 PM:For those of you who are bashing Islam or muslim let me remind you of this news.
NY Daily News Dec 12, 2007:
Askari, a Bangladeshi Muslim studying at Berkeley College in Manhattan, was on a Q train headed to Brooklyn late Friday when he came to the aid of young women confronted by a group of 10 thugs.
And if you think he was doing something out of the ordinary for a muslim, here's why he did it:
NY Post Dec 12,2007:
"I just did what I had to do," he recalled. "My parents raised me that way."
I totally disagree with this guy. There are good Musims, the dead ones...
Bob Dob wrote on December 29, 2007 1:45 PM:Oh, come on, Rasheed. You know the routine. The lie is that Islam is a tolerant religion. If your definition of tolerance is that you have to offer a person the "opportunity" to convert to Islam before you slaughter them, then I guess you might be right.
Bye Bye Islam wrote on December 29, 2007 1:58 PM:Wow Les, 1 good deed by a Muslim... lets see there are over a billion of them... and we see one good deed.
Before we get all teary-eyed maybe we should start counting all the crimes committed by Muslims in the name of Islam?
Thanks for proving Deady's point.
Lee wrote on December 29, 2007 2:06 PM:You right wingers are so pathetic.
When there's proof that there are good muslims you whine that it was not enough to make up all the bad ones.
Well then if the action of Al Qaeda taints all muslims then to be fair shouldn't the action of Ted Haggard and pedophile priests taints all christians and the action of Larry Craig, Vitter et al taints all conservatives?
And don't defend yourself with crap like 'at least they didn't kill' because then i remind you of Haditha Massacre, Abeer Ali rape and Blackwater's (which is led by a christian BTW) numerous crimes and murders in Iraq.
Michael A wrote on December 29, 2007 2:10 PM:True islam is not what the right-wing loonies make it out to be. It is no different from any other mainstream "christian" religion. This war of civilizations and refighting the crusades is really, really frightening. People need to get educated and not buy the right-wing crap. I guess maybe that's why the king is trying to cripple the us education system, so that people will be uneducated. Keep them in the dark so that they follow you like sheep. Pathetic.
Bob Dob wrote on December 29, 2007 2:15 PM:The difference between Al Qaeda and Ted Haggard is that Ted Haggard is a lousy excuse for a Christian whereas Osama bin Laden is a man very much like the guy who founded Islam.
To all who think these are right-wing lies about Islam, I can only repeat: read the Koran, read the Koran, read the Koran...
Lee wrote on December 29, 2007 2:30 PM:Bob Dob wrote on December 29, 2007 2:15 PM:
To all who think these are right-wing lies about Islam, I can only repeat: read the Koran, read the Koran, read the Koran...
Okay then Bob, why don't you enlighten us with excerpts of Koran that proves Islam is evil.
BTW how about excerpts of the law in Leviticus 24: 10-23 where blasphemers are stoned to death or when a child insult his parents (Leviticus 20).
Or how about I Corinthians 6:9, TLB. "Don't you know that those doing such things have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who live immoral lives, who are idol worshippers, adulterers or homosexuals—will have no share in his kingdom."
That sounds like something Ahmadinejad would agree on.
Samir wrote on December 29, 2007 2:38 PM:Someone please remove this bigot from the gene pool. Thanks.
Michael A wrote on December 29, 2007 2:54 PM:These neanderthals have absolutely no clue about what they are talking about. It is really, really sad what has happened to the american educational system. Mohammed was absolutely nothing like bin laden. That is an incredible insult. Go play at redstate.com. You people are really morons.
Tom wrote on December 29, 2007 3:07 PM:From the Koran:
When the angels said, 'O Mary, ALLAH gives thee glad tidings of a son through a word from HIM; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God;
'And he shall speak to the people in the cradle, and when of middle age, and he shall be of the righteous.
She said, 'My Lord, how shall I have a son, when no man has touched me? He said, 'Such is the way of ALLAH. HE creates what HE pleases. When HE decrees a thing HE says to it 'Be,' and it is;" -- Qur'an, Surah 3:38-48
Michael A wrote on December 29, 2007 3:10 PM:Excellent tom, I forgot the koran included the old testament and parts of the new testament. Also, I forgot that jesus is a prophet in islam. So, neanderthals, what's wrong with the koran again?
Tom wrote on December 29, 2007 3:21 PM:
I was ignorant too, until I read it all.
Adam, David, Noah, Jesus, Mohammed .... all were prophets(messengers of God) for muslims. They do believe in the Torah, Bible which they say do not exists in their originality, that's the reason Bible replaced Torah and when Bible was not preserved in it's originality, The Koran took it's place which until today is unchanged or modified.
Just Ben wrote on December 29, 2007 3:22 PM:"Bob Dob wrote on December 29, 2007 10:49 AM"
It seems at this point TPM got linked to Frothing Wingnut Central. Or it's the same idiot using a sock puppet. Always hard to tell (which is rather scary in of itself).
206 wrote on December 29, 2007 3:25 PM:It appears to me that history is repeating itself. The miltant Muslims look like the Nazis on the march. They both hate Jews and were & are out to destroy them. Although the world knows how the Nazis tried to extreminate the Jews in WWII, Iranian President Ahmadinejad is a Haulocaust denier, calles for the destruction of Israel? Iranian President Ahmadinejad. Is not he Muslim? He sould see http://www.holocaustsurvivors.org/ but he probably believes it's propganda. A trip to the German death camp museums may change his and other minds.... Probably not because they hate Jews and teach their children to hate.
My point is that the radial Muslims who hijacked a religion are hell bent on destruction much like the Nazi's.
Mr. Deady will probably have a fatwah issued against him for his remarks against Islam and Muslims. Watch and see.
If not them maybe the ACLU will sue him for hate speech not free speech. If he said this about Christians or Jews, no problem!
Who tried to killed Mr. Rashnee for writing "Satanic Verses"?
What group were the 9/11 terrorists? Other major terrorist attacks are carried out by Muslims, not Buddists or Hindi correct? Let's continue shall we?
Shariah law provides the lack of rights and lack of value most women face in Muslim countries correct? They can't even be in public w/o a male relative or husband correct? In what country was a woman who was raped and then sentenced to a whipping and jail time? Who stones their women when they are judged to be bad? These are not European countries!
Who just killed Bhutto? Al Queada is the one who took credit? Why? Anyone venture to speculate?
In most Muslim countries, Israel isn't even on the map. I have one right here.
I am going to buy a Quran, find local mosque and find those passages in question and post the page and numbers.
No one has done that here yet. Show me where things are said about Christ and the infadels. Let's find who said what where in the Quran.
In less than 70 years, Israel is properous country. Can some explain why many Muslim countries women are un-educated, 2nd class citizens and still in the 12th century? Can anyone name a great piece of work in liturature, music, or art from a leading Muslim writer or artist from the last 500 years or since some African nations (ie:Egypt) became a Muslim dominated coutry? If so compare them to the great works from Europe and Asia. I don't recall anything like that in my studies at my liberal college I went to. The point is that unfortunately currently extreme Muslims who want to bring Sharia law to the rest of the world are bringing nothing but hate and destruction to the world. Moderate and conservative Muslims need to stand up for themselves and take back their beleifs. Muslim women need to be treated with respect and brought into the 21st century. Mr. Deady's comments are perhaps extreme but no more extreme than an atheist saying there in no need for Christianity and it is the root of all evil. And yes we have heard that haven't we? Mrs. Bhutto's death is yet another wake-up call and if Al Queada get's their hands on those Pakistani nukes, we will all have more to worry about than global warming or what an old man's insensative remarks were about a religion that at best in my humble opinion, has questionable practices and devastating undertakings in the name of Allah!
Unfortunatly, when it does happen, it will be too late.
Tom, I actually find religion fascinating. For example the bible had to include the torah/old testament. Why? Because early christians were trying to persuade jews to join their religion, so they included the jews religious text in thier religious text. Now, the koran comes along 600 years after the founding of christianity. The two organized religions in the middle east at this point are christianity and judaism. Muslims want to persuade christians and jews to join islam. How do they do it? By including the torah and the bible in their religious text, the koran and claim that islam is obviously the next logical step. Fascinating.
206 wrote on December 29, 2007 3:44 PM:Thank you for those passages from the Quran. This will an iteresting read. I will re-read the Bible as well. Yes there are things in the Bible that are outdated but Christianity has evolved. When was the last time you heard a Christian being stoned to death for a sin???
Instead of polarizing the USA and the world between the thoughts of those on the far left and far right, we all need come to work and live together or there will not be much of a world or USA to live in.
Like it or not we are in a war for survival on many fronts. From terrosit attacks to global warming to the threat of a nuclear detonation. Would we even be in the Middle-East if we didn't need that oil? And what will we do when it's all used up???
Mr. Deady's comments raises so many questions. Ever think what Al Queada and Hammas are saying about Americans and Europeans?
And why isn't there this problem in Asian Buddist countries but in SE Asian Muslim countries they have the same problems as the Middle-East?
Reading these blogs, it always seems to go from topical discussion and intellegint conversation to name calling and dismissal as a, well you know the terms of endearment.
206:
Culture of a specific region and it's religion are two differrent things, you are mixing them up.
There are 1.4 billion muslims in this world and 1.8 billion christians. All have different cultures which they live upto not necessarility reflecting their religion. For example: Virgin Mary (Mother of Jesus) wore a Head Scarf which is alike what muslim women ware. In those days exposing women hair was to do with their modesty and that pretty much still thrives today in arab lands
Can we all take a deep breath. Insulting other religions will lead nowhere. It only makes fanatics stronger. By blaming all muslims and their prophet you are making life for someone like me very difficult. I am a westranized Muslim who believe that western civilization is the best thing that ever happened to humanity but if you can think of muslims now as christians many hundreds of years ago the picture will come clear to you. The crusaders for example commited terrible crimes and killings in the middle east long time ago. They followed the literal words of the bible which is very violent in some sections specially the old testment when viewd by an informed person. The quran is the same thing, alot of the violent versus in the quran are event related not universal and the jihadies decided to follow the words literally and i assure you that about 90% of muslims dont agree with that. Christians are civilized now and but they were exactly like nowdays muslims but lets say 700 years ago.
David wrote on December 29, 2007 4:05 PM:I an tired of being tolerant of Islam. Moslems didn't found the USA, but they are colonizing it. They put people in jail for owning a Bible in Saudi Arabia, and the execute those who convert from Islam to other religions. As far as I'm concerned, they can all go home to the Islamic Republic of Iran, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan [it's real name], the Islamic Republic of Iraq [it's real name], and the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan [it's real name].
Anne wrote on December 29, 2007 4:12 PM:When Jesus fulfilled the Law Covenant that kept the Jews in bondage to all of it's laws, includin sacrifices etc, he told his followers to follow just two commandments: Love Jehovah you God, with your whole soul,mind and heart, and to love your neighbor as yourself. He then released them from all the old law covenenant and it's rituals. So, if anyone claims to be Christian, Muslim, etc, then he must follow those two basic laws, which involve loving, NOT KILLING your neighbor, even if he follows another faith, NOT stealing from him (including his wife/husband,child), not coveting,not worshiping idols (statues,crosses, emblems etc)not being homosexual, and giving the Almighty God EXCLUSIVE devotion. Following these things would prove a man to be a true follower of Christ. Check ANY religion today, and it's history...did/does it participate in wars, even bless the soldiers? Does it meddle in politics? Does it promote/accept homosexuality? Does it demand money from it's members? Does it promote worship of idols (statues of Mary,Jesus,the cross, saints, emblems of items in nature)?, Does it keep it's members blinded to the truths in the Bible? Does it cast doubt on our Creator? Think about it, then decide what mankind does in the name of faith.
Mike E wrote on December 29, 2007 4:16 PM:I also want to say that this scary war on terrorism needs a lot of focus and as many allies as possible. a direct confrontation between two big religions will only lead to a disaster and if you think one side will win then you are foolish. jihadist can only be defeated from within when their ideas are abolished and their sympathizers and fundraisers are all jailed or killed. An attack on religion from outsiders will only make things more difficult and lead to more people joining jihadi ideas. yes the entire world should get tough with muslim fanatics but you can't ignore that you will never win this unless muslims act up. you have to feel some sympathy for regular muslims blown up by terrorists. We must make sure that all of us view one common enemy both westreners and muslims should both feel that they are fighting one enemy and insulting religious figures is not going to help that cause. also i want to say that Jesus is very well respected in the quran and highly praised. One person here said that quran said Jesus will go to hell and that is not true at all. My wife is a christian and I have a good exposure to the religion and i can tell you that the basic difference between islam and Christianity is the divinity of Jesus. but if you think about it other religions don't even acknowledge Jesus at all. So in a way islam is very close to christianity.
206 wrote on December 29, 2007 4:20 PM:
What I'm trying to point out is that in the SE Asian countries who now have become Muslim and or have a greater Muslim presence, they are having more violence and problems that are similar to those in the Middle East. The Buddists and natives who live in these SE Asian countries and do not want to convert to Isalm resent those imposing Islam much like they resent other forms of reglion conversion. Christianity included.
Even though they are in different regions they now face the samd problems broght on by extreme Muslim fundamentalists ie: terroist attacks in the Philippines, Malasia ect..
206 wrote on December 29, 2007 4:20 PM:
What I'm trying to point out is that in the SE Asian countries who now have become Muslim and or have a greater Muslim presence, they are having more violence and problems that are similar to those in the Middle East.
Really?
I didn't know there's a problem with violent muslim population in Malaysia or Brunei.
There were problem in Thailand or Philippine but they're pretty much tamed now.
Sofie wrote on December 29, 2007 5:48 PM:While I agree with much of this article, I have to point out that racial profiling is just that-- racial-- not about age, as quoted in the article (...Deady said, "why not take a look at those people who are between the ages of 18 and 38 and are acting strange?"). Unless there is more to that quote which actually pertains to race, the assessment of this statement is incorrect.
Though the author may not be particularly inclinced toward Rudy Guiliani, as I myself am not, the author should refrain from mislabeling the actions promoted by their speakers, regardless of political origin.
paul wrote on December 29, 2007 6:34 PM:Rudy should offer Deady a raise. If you belong to an organization that allows its members to kill innocent people without retribution, then you are an accomplice. If Muslims perpetuate another attack, they will all be held accountable. If Mohammad is your prophet, then I would suggest you remove the people from your midst that believe this way. Otherwise, you will find yourself looked upon as a sympathizer.
Feel sorry to say Guys like Deady & Paul will lead to the downfall of this great Nation. How can you view the worlds second largest religion and the work of a few fanatics through the same lens.
I am glad a minority thinks like paul does.
paul wrote on December 29, 2007 6:34 PM:
Rudy should offer Deady a raise. If you belong to an organization that allows its members to kill innocent people without retribution, then you are an accomplice.
Hey Paul, does this mean you also think those Catholics Cardinals and Bishops who moved around pedophile priests are also accomplice to the crime?
kev wrote on December 29, 2007 6:56 PM:
David:
As you said, even if All Jews leave to the Jewish Republic of Israel, America would be the great nation ever.
I believe that if you belong to a group that includes people that kill and maim innocents and continue your relatinship with that group, then you are an accompice. As for the Cathlic issue, if you knew what was going on and protected the perpetrator, then you are also guilty. This country was founded by people that took responcibility for their actions, not by people that religated that responcibility to the government.
The fact that muslims may the the second largest group doesn't mean I must tolerate their actions.
Here is a novel idea....Jews back to Israel, Muslims back to the Middle East, Buddhists back to India or China, Korea, Japan, etc, illegals back to Mexico and then see if America doesn't improve.
I fear we are heading the way of the Roman empire and the collapse is just around the corner.
paul wrote on December 29, 2007 7:24 PM:Here's another novel idea, lets just agree to not kill each other because of our beliefs. Where we live is not as relevent as how we conduct ourselves. Don't threaten me and mine and you can believe what ever you want.
greg wrote on December 30, 2007 1:07 AM:@james,
Wow - I am utterly stunned by your stupidity. You forget to say Poles back to Poland, Irish back to Ireland, Italians back to Italy, English back to England. Oh, and let's also try and repatriate the descendents of the slaves that were kidnapped and imprisoned illegaly, raped, tortured and murdered in the US.
By my reckoning, that leaves a smattering of Native Americans who weren't genocided - and as the rightful owners of the land, that seems fair to me.
I fear for the future of the USA if morons like you ever learn to breed.
missmarple wrote on December 30, 2007 11:44 AM:The quran states 29 times that Christians are fools, apostates, and are destined for hell.
My granddaughter, who is Jewish, is told on a daily basis that she is going to Hell because she's not a Christian. This is by a Born Again Christian in the 9th grade. What's the difference?
zk0sm0 wrote on December 30, 2007 2:08 PM:wow.
who sent out the xenophobic hatemongering storm-troopers to defend the rudy campaign?
who linked this page to send all these bloodlusting mouthbreathers to this site?
Yukerboy wrote on December 30, 2007 8:08 PM:Let's see, you have a guy who supports Giuliani stating that Muslims need to be whacked.
The only problem I see is that he is supporting Giuliani instead of a real conservative.
Name a good Muslim. I bet I can name a bad one.
yukerboy wrote on December 30, 2007 8:13 PM:Miss Marple,
The difference is the basis of Islam, the Koran, states that Christians are going to hell 29 times.
A child who has not read what the Bible actually says your granddaughter is going to hell once.
Meanwhile, the Bible itself speaks of God's Chosen people as being elect and that God's gifts are irrevocable.
Melissa wrote on December 30, 2007 11:19 PM:
I have heard this all before. All you have to do is replace 'Muslim" with "Jew". Replace 'terrorist' with 'witch' or 'heretic' There really is nothing new under the sun. Just fearful people ready to kill whoever their leader tell them to fear this week. Oh yeah , I forgot communists.
Let's see if you belong to a group that is killing innocent people then you must leave that group. So leave the Christian religion, leave the Muslim religion, leave the Jewish religion. How stupid can people be?
People of all religions kill others. People of all religions do things that their religions oppose. If you want violent, read the Old Testament. I seem to remember something about kill everyone, their children, their servants, their animals etc, etc. I think all religions are simply myths and the bad parts should be ignored and the good parts followed. Like treat others the way you want to be treated.
these are NOT popular comments amongst Republicans, only amongst the evangelical right and the neocons - which are often the same MINORITY lot that has unfortunately hijacked the Republican Party these last years. (As have the neolibs of the Democrat Party).
Elite Plutocrats, the lot of them.
Utopia wrote on December 31, 2007 5:16 PM:"I'm not a bigot really."
Another sure sign of a bigoted statement.
"I may sound like one."
Well, he got that part right, anyway.
U
JPark wrote on December 29, 2007 3:32 AM:
He said "What I was referring to is, stand up to them every time they stick up their heads". I could have sworn he was going to say out of the sand...but he didn't. Point for him, I guess.
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Not so fast, JPark. His earlier comments made it clear that he wants them to go back to their caves so he's not far off from the "sand" sentiment. No points from me.
U
Some points to ponder: There is no "O" in Arabic, viz; QUr-an not KOran, MUhammad not MOhammad, (although the Arabs gave us the Zero, not to be confused with the O.)
Muslims were with and navigated his smallest ship because the Muslims had perfected the art of using the stars as a guide as they guided themselves across the desert eons before GPS. tALLAHassee (the capital of FL. is an Native American word meaning "and (someday) Allah will set us free."
When 99% of us were born the first thing we uttered as we took in a deep breath was aaa then lllaaaahhhh as in a-law
(Just had to through that one in there]
Terrorism is a 21st century word that has been designated for anything associated with Islam. Notice the word terrorism wasn't mentioned once when the W VA college madman went on his dying for Jesus rampage. Condolences to all the victims. Nor was it used when the BTK killer or the Unabomber went about their deeds. According to the mindless drivel there has only been 1 act of terrorism - McVeigh - and they added the prefix - domestic as a qualifier.
Turn off the TV, the a.m. talk radio, go to the library, really get to know who you perceive as your enemy and just maybe you'll have less stress and perhaps even become enlightened!
Wake Up America! wrote on January 1, 2008 2:44 PM:Americans - Deadly is no fool. Dom't be naive. Muslims are out to get you.
L Park wrote on January 1, 2008 3:11 PM:I think the bigger question is what is Rudy going to do about this? Guys like this don't deserve our time. The "leaders" they claim to be supporting do and we need to let htem know this is not acceptable nor are they if they do not take swift action.
ZS wrote on January 1, 2008 5:20 PM:The Deady fellow one can write off as another Archie Bunker....bigotted and ignorant.
What is heartening is that there are so many comments ridiculing his attitude.
However, it is very distressing that in this supposed secular democracy such statements are allowed to go unpunished ----------
AH wrote on January 2, 2008 1:20 PM:"the Muslims" need to be chased "back to their caves."
John Deady? i think it is ok to call him " fanatic, or extremist, because he hates too.
Il Duce's campaign worker's remarks are just on example of the daily barrages of hate fear and suspicion aimed at Muslims and Islam by people who love being "PATRIOTIC" but are really lazy, ignorant bigots.
We are all entitled to our personal, private, biases and bigotries; I have no quibble with people who openly claim to hate Islam, Muslims and Arabs, but I have a problem when they try to support their hate by fanciful "facts" that even they have so obviously not checked out.
Most anti-Muslim bigots are experts on any and all criminal acts committed by Muslims but are amazingly naieve or deliberately blind, about similar or worse acts commited by Christians, Hindus, Jews or people of other faiths.
Start a discussion about Muslims and people start naming atrocities committed by Muslims as a true representation of Islam...with 9-11 at the top of the list.
A couple of years ago, the Hindus in Gujerat killed over 5000 Muslims in a pre-planned pogrom led by the political government (BJP) of the day. Today, thousands of Muslims of that area are STILL living in refugee camps because they haven't signed statements holding the genocidal leaders harmless.
Jews in Israel routinely kill 3000-6000 Arabs (Christians AND Muslims) every year, 20% of them are children (BY WHO figures) shot deliberately in the haed and upper body.
Christians in Uganda (The Lord's Resistance Army) has killed and mutilated thousands of people in their evangelical zeal.
Christians (Catholics and Orthodox) in Serbia conducted rape camps and genocide of Muslims. Muslims were also ethnically cleansed in Kosova by Milosevic and massive influx of Christians to Kosova followed...all in the name of Christianity.
Oh, I could go on and on but those with any brains in use at all, should get the idea.
The point is, there are plenty of evil people in every race, religion and nationality. Get off this lame "Muslims/Islam=evil" mantra, get a life and join WITH all people of good will to stop evil and crimes BECAUSE they are crimes, not because they are being commited by some group you love to hate.
Finally, instead of relating trite "quotes" like "there are 29 references to kill non-Muslims in the Quran", READ the book and the "quotes" in context and learn how the exhortation is to "..kill those who are killling you but if you show mercy, God loves you more".
While you are at it, read the Old and the New Testaments and see how many references there are to kill innocents (first-born, all life on Earth, Canaanites...and on).
Have the courage to put your name where your opinions are and get a life.
Islam is a peace, lovign religeon that respects all prophets ( peace be upon them). If the angry people on this site could use a few moments on islam and learn to see that Islam does not force religeon and religeon is not mandatory in Islam ( Quran: Surah : 2:257 ; Religeon is not compulosory).
domchi wrote on January 3, 2008 6:59 AM:I'm inclined to agree with Mr. Deady, even if that might label me as "hateful". Unfortunately, I did have some personal experiences with Muslims, and came to conclusions similar to those expressed by Mr. Deady.
I usually post this few links every time somebody compares Muslims to Christians, or says that "the Muslims are just another religion, and of course there are Muslim extremists, there are extremists in every religion, but they don't reflect the views of the entire religion." Those people are usually misinformed and haven't even read the Qur'an.
The truth is, Muslim religion is a joke, not religion. Muslims are following moral teachings of a pedophile. And don't for a second believe that Jihad is something symbolic. Muslims have historically always fought wars with weaker enemies, and lived in peace with stronger enemies - until they were in position to destroy them. They had to, it's written in Qur'an. And enemies = all non-Muslims.
The links:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/07/non-intelligent-response.html
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/ayesha.htm
http://www.laughingatislam.com/understandingislam.html
http://www.ninevehsoft.com/fiorina.htm
Cant Muslims drop cluster bombs like civilized people? Cant they, say, use the main guns from a battleship to drop one ton shells over the horizon, like, say, Reagan in Lebanon?
Cant they invade a country & start unrestricted air and artillery war on the countryside to create "forced urbanization? Cant they just establish "free fire zones"? Cant they follow our simple roadmap in SE Asia? Cant they simply lay millions of mines? Cant they execute people on the testimony of pain informants? Cant they useB52's? Cant they set up effective Bantustans?
But no. They operate outside civilized bounds. Thier gutter religeon allows them only to be terrorists.
Jeez, theres a lot of educated morons........
(quoting) When I asked Deady to elaborate on his suggestion that we need to "get rid" of Muslims, Deady said:
"When I say get rid of them, I wasn't necessarily referring to genocide".
Am I alone in finding the word 'necessarily' troubling?
Does he mean it's an option?
"Does he mean it's an option?"
Is there any doubt?
U
65-75 wrote:Some points to ponder: There is no "O" in Arabic, viz; QUr-an not KOran, MUhammad not MOhammad, (although the Arabs gave us the Zero, not to be confused with the O.)
No they didn't, that was the Indians.
Muslims were with and navigated his smallest ship because the Muslims had perfected the art of using the stars as a guide as they guided themselves across the desert eons before GPS. tALLAHassee (the capital of FL. is an Native American word meaning "and (someday) Allah will set us free."
Notice the word terrorism wasn't mentioned once when the W VA college madman went on his dying for Jesus rampage. Condolences to all the victims. Nor was it used when the BTK killer or the Unabomber went about their deeds.
Actually, it was used about the Unabomber. It traditionally hasn't been used about serial killers using guns, you're right. It also wasn't (outside of a few wingnuts) about the Beltway Sniper shootings, even though John Allen Muhammed had associations with the Nation of Islam.
Tarik wrote on January 4, 2008 7:46 PM:USA = NAZIS
Not every Muslim is a terrorist....But every terrorist who attacked the United States of America has been a Muslim...and don't even comment about the nutcase Timothy Mc Vey.
Radical Muslims are the only issue at hand, and they are the only Muslims who are a threat to the US.
www.joinrudy2008.com
USA = NAZIS? :)
(Disclaimer: I'm not from the USA.)
See what Islam says about Jews:
"I heard the prophet of Allah saying: 'I will cast Jews and Christians out of the peninsula and I won't leave any one in it but Muslims.'" (Sunan Abu Dawud, vol. 2, No. 28, from the Muhaddith program)
Ibn Ishaq and al-Waqidi report that the prophet said the morning after the murder (of Ka'b Ibn al'Ashraf), "Kill any Jew you can lay your hands on." (El beddayah wa alnihaya – Ibn Katheer – vol. 4 – in the chapter on killing Ka'b bin al'Ashraf)
Ka'b ibn al-Asraf was a Jew who was assasinated by Muhammad's orders because he was - writing erotic poetry about Muslim women!
That's still the same treatment you also get, by the way, for, say, drawing a comic about Muhammad. That means you don't have the right of free speech in your own country, according to Muslims. Think about that.
Reynald de Chatillon wrote on January 5, 2008 1:45 PM:Rasheed- here they are........
Quran quotes Christians need to read- saying Christians are fools and apostates and Jesus will burn in hell:
AT-Tawba (Repentence) 009.030
Reject Jesus, convert to Islam:
AAl-A-Imran (The House of 'Imran) 003.064
Allah never begat a son:
Al Furquan (The Criterion) 025.002-.003
Jesus was only a messenger. Do not make him part of a Trinity:
An-Nisa (Women) 004.171
Strong words regarding Christianity:
Az-Zumar (The Troops) 039.003-004
Muslims reject Jesus as Son of God:
Al-Jinn (The Jinn) 072.003-.006
It is blasphemy to consider Jesus to be God:
Al Maeda (The Table) 005.017
There is no proof that Jesus is Son of God:
AL-Kahf (The Cave) 018.004-.005
Maryam (Mary) 019.035
It is unworthy of God to have a son:
Maryam (Mary) 019.088-.093
Christians perpetuate a lie regarding Jesus:
AAl-A-Imran (The House of 'Imran) 003.
Jesus was only a messenger. Do not make him part of a Trinity:
An-Nisa (Women) 004.171
Christians are Blasphemers:
Al Maeda (The Table) 005.072
Christians are Blasphemers:
Al Maeda (The Table) 005.073 .
Christians are delusional:
Al Maeda (The Table) 005.075
Jesus sinned by proclaiming himself Son of God:
Al Maeda (The Table) 005.116
Believing that Jesus is Son of God is an ABOMINATION:
Maryam (Mary) 019.088-.092
Saying "Jesus is the Son of God" is saying a lie:
Yunus (Jonah) 010.068-.070
If you believe Jesus is the Son of God, you are a loser:
Az-Zumar (The Troops) 039.064-.065
Believing in Jesus as the Son of God will burn you in hell:
Al-Anbiya (The Prophets) 021.026 , .098
Do not associate a Son with God:
AL-Isra (The Night Journey) 017.111 .
Our messenger, Muhammad, is the messenger. Jesus is not:
Al Maeda (The Table) 005.019
Islam is the only way:
AAl-A-Imran (The House of 'Imran) 003.085
Do not make friends with Christians or Jews:
Al Maeda (TheTable) 005.051
Non-Muslims are your enemy- lie to them about your beliefs if it protects you:
An-Nisa (Women) 004.101
Christians are destined for hell:
Al-Bayyina (The Clear Proof) 098.006
Decapitate the enemy:
Muhammad 047.004
Raqsheed: Here are the quotes. You say you have never read them. Perhaps you are just following Muhammad's advice: It is permissible to lie to an infidel if the goal is to the good of islam.
AT-Tawba (Repentence) 009.030
Reject Jesus, convert to Islam:
AAl-A-Imran (The House of 'Imran) 003.064
Allah never begat a son:
Al Furquan (The Criterion) 025.002-.003
Jesus was only a messenger. Do not make him part of a Trinity:
An-Nisa (Women) 004.171
Strong words regarding Christianity:
Az-Zumar (The Troops) 039.003-004
Muslims reject Jesus as Son of God:
Al-Jinn (The Jinn) 072.003-.006
It is blasphemy to consider Jesus to be God:
Al Maeda (The Table) 005.017
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