Rudy: Winner Of Florida "Will Win The Nomination"

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Richard L. Adlof wrote on January 28, 2008 5:35 PM:

You all heard it from Guiliani first!

Hillary Clinton will be the Republican nominee after Florida.

Michael A wrote on January 28, 2008 5:38 PM:

If mr. 9/11 loses tomorrow, expect a bail out speech tomorrow night. He is making too much money off of 9/11 and with his "security" companies to be humiliated throughout the country. AMF mr. 9/11.

cleter wrote on January 28, 2008 5:47 PM:

Oh, why would he drop out now? He's finally going to get ahead of Ron Paul in a primary.

Though it would be nice to see him spend 30 million and drop out without getting a single delegate.

ChrisNBama wrote on January 28, 2008 5:47 PM:

Has anyone else heard anything to the effect that Obama is coming out in support of driver's licences for undocumented immigrants? The story's here:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/01/28/MNH1UL57Q.DTL

Thoughts?

VALawyer wrote on January 28, 2008 5:56 PM:

This has been a frequent refrain from Rudy in the past couple of weeks. Why read subtext into it now? He's said it pretty much every single day.

litigatormom wrote on January 28, 2008 5:58 PM:

If Rudy drops out, it will be to protect the Giuliani Partners' brand. How is he going to keep getting huge speaking fees and security consulting contracts if he keeps coming in just slightly ahead of "uncommitted" in the primaries?

Angry Vet wrote on January 28, 2008 5:58 PM:

Chris,

Old news. Obama said he would support that position back in Philadelphia in November, during which HRC hemmed and hawed (and, apparently started to falter in the polls) on the same question.

Good for Obama. It's a smart policy. The crazies will hate it, however. Also, his stance seems to fly in the face of Rep. Emanuel's desire to use it as a "wedge issue."

Expect JRE and HRC to attack on thursday on this issue. You heard it hear first.

And, so be it.

ChrisNBama wrote on January 28, 2008 6:03 PM:

Angry Vet,

I'll be honest, I wasn't aware of this position. It doesn't change my support for Obama, but it is an extremely dangerous position to take in the GE.

My grandmother, who is the staunchest of democrats, sounds just like a republican on this issue--as do many democrats I know. I haven't really thought about the issue other than to see it as a touchy matter that may hurt him in the long run.

Of course, there is no long run if Obama is unable to attain the nomination, so I suppose advocating for it may help him with Latino's in the west and southwest. We'll see.

MarcNYC wrote on January 28, 2008 6:06 PM:

It's almost enough to make you wonder if the guy who whored himself out to make millions off of 9/11 didn't get in this thing to promote Guiliani Partners with other people's money.

RobertSeattle wrote on January 28, 2008 6:32 PM:

Anyone been to Rudy's Blog page at his election webiste? It's pretty funny - several of the video blog has single digit views!

Russell wrote on January 28, 2008 6:34 PM:

That's not an accurate Rudy quote because he didn't preface it with, "As I've been saying since 9/11."

Darrell wrote on January 28, 2008 6:41 PM:

Hillary will win florida and get the delegates seated in denver... She will get a bigger victory in florida then what obama got in south carolina... it wil boost her up as she heads into super tuesday..... looking forward tomorrow.

polls have her winning florida between 10 to 36 percent points:)

Go Hillary!!!

I don't see rudy winning florida or any other state...

Gary wrote on January 28, 2008 6:46 PM:

If Rudy got into this to promote Guiliani Partners, I think it has backfired. He has made a complete doofus of himself for the last few months. The "Big" guys don't like associating with clowns! That coupled with the fact there will probably be a Democratic administration a year from now means he won't have any influence to sell!

bvd wrote on January 28, 2008 6:46 PM:

All right, Adlof, you made me laugh.

Michael A wrote on January 28, 2008 6:48 PM:

The clintons won't win florida by double digits. Have the polls been right since iowa? Nope.

Darrell wrote on January 28, 2008 6:49 PM:

Florida.... polls have Hillary at 44% to 60%

Obama at 25% to 36%

Edwards at 9% to 19%

May not be any delegate seats but she is going to kick butt before heading into super tuesday:)

Goldmund wrote on January 28, 2008 6:55 PM:

Darrel --

And you have no problem with that? After rules were clearly agreed upon?

I guess if you didn't believe that ends justify the means you would have ceased being a HRC supporter a long time ago, since that is obviously her MO.

Anonymous wrote on January 28, 2008 7:04 PM:

Goldmund--Remember, they will "do whatever it takes" to "win at any costs." If that means all of us losing our souls, not to mention scruples, in the process, well tough noogies.

ChrisNBama wrote on January 28, 2008 7:07 PM:

Darrell,

How much play in the media did Hillary's "kicking butt" in Michigan receive in her whopping win over "uncommitted"?

I do admire your spirit, though. Keep up the good fight.

Anonymous wrote on January 28, 2008 7:14 PM:

Chris... she will be talked about more in florida then what she was in michigan because all top 3 names are own the ballot not uncommitted like it was in michigan also she will be in florida tomorrow night to give a victory speech.

plus she is going to kick butt when it comes to the votes that are going to roll in...you shall see:)

ChrisNBama wrote on January 28, 2008 7:15 PM:

Darrell/Goldmund/Anon:

I'm not so shook up at the Clinton power play in FL. I think it's smart politics. It's insider baseball stuff regarding the seating or not seating of the delegates. What Joe Taxpayer is going to hear is that Hillary is standing up to the unfair disenfranchisement of FL voters. Forget for the moment the Clinton efforts to derail the At-Large caucuses in Nevada. I'd much rather she pull this stunt, than the politics of personal destruction she was engaging in in SC.

Let her celebrate her Pyhrric victory. If the press does its job, they will marginalize the results of her Florida "win" by emphasizing the DNC ruling. We'll see how it plays out tomorrow.

ChrisNBama wrote on January 28, 2008 7:19 PM:

Anon:

I have no doubt Hillary will "win" the contest in FL. But will the media run with the spin, or skeptically question the meaning of it (which is what I hope they do).

We will soon see.

Pat J wrote on January 28, 2008 7:19 PM:

If Hillary wins does this mean Chris Matthews will finally shut his big fat mouth! I would pay to see that.

JDub wrote on January 28, 2008 7:20 PM:

Clinton's gonna give a victory address in Fla after beating people who didn't compete. Talk about the sound of one hand clapping.

Jake wrote on January 28, 2008 7:26 PM:

Clinton's gonna give a victory address in Fla after beating people who didn't compete. Talk about the sound of one hand clapping.

Seriously. It strikes of desperation to me. But, Clinton fans, whatever floats your boat.

ChrisNBama wrote on January 28, 2008 7:27 PM:

JDub,

You are absolutely right.

Anyone watching the news the last few days senses the developing narrative that is emerging. The democratic aspect of the race isn't getting any air time. It's all about the "make or break" republican contest. The fact that Hillary may win a landslide of uncontested votes won't even be a footnote (I'll be generous, it might be a footnote). So, I think it's alot of wishful thinking to suggest she will get any sort of momentum from it. The contested SC primary, and the subsequent landslide is the storyline currently, and likely will remain so for the next few days.

DemUnity08 wrote on January 28, 2008 7:31 PM:

What an irony it will be if there's a delegate tie between Obama and Clinton and the tie will only be broken if Florida's delegates are seated. Too awful to consider, though I can easily see the Obama supporters pulling out no stops to ensure the disenfranchisement of Floridians, and they'll recycle all the old James Bakerisms: "Gore, I mean Clinton, wants to change the rules in the middle of the game!!!"

Winston Smith wrote on January 28, 2008 7:39 PM:

I will breathe a huge sigh of relief when this megalomaniac drops out of the race. I wonder whom he'll blame his utter failure and dismal campaign strategy on. Surely, he had nothing to do with it. It's probably the Democrats fault for loving terrorists.

DemUnity08 wrote on January 28, 2008 7:43 PM:

DemUnity,

If the scenario you describe unfolds, it will do irreparable harm to the party. It would evolve into an all out civil war.

ChrisNBama wrote on January 28, 2008 7:45 PM:

Winston writes:

"I will breathe a huge sigh of relief when this megalomaniac drops out of the race. I wonder whom he'll blame his utter failure and dismal campaign strategy on."

Bill Clinton?

Paulie wrote on January 28, 2008 7:46 PM:

Attempting to 'gain' in any way using 9/11 shows how disgusting and unprincipled someone is. Rudy and Georgie are at the top of that list.

Rudy, sayonara scumsucker, hopefully we won't have to see you ugly mug after tomorrow.

Winston Smith wrote on January 28, 2008 7:54 PM:

"I can easily see the Obama supporters pulling out no stops to ensure the disenfranchisement of Floridians."

Hmmm...I can't "easily" see that, but I guess it's possible. That seems more like Hellary Rove Clinton thing. (I realize, of course, that she would want the FL delegates. I'm just making a character comment.)

Let's just hope it doesn't come to that. And unfortunately, it won't because, despite the media hype to sell advertising for every minute of every day by sensationalizing this "fight," Hellary is way ahead in CA and NY.

jose wrote on January 28, 2008 7:56 PM:

greg wrote:


if he loses tomorrow there will be no point in continuing, and he'll drop out, right...


if should be when.

stick a fork in him. he's done. The last nail in the coffin was when the New York Firefighters came out against him.

Jim wrote on January 28, 2008 8:04 PM:

Happy to see the schmuck go. Although, I was looking forward to reading Matt Taibbi dissect the narrow-minded fool. Now I won't get the chance.

Joe Lhota and Judi Nathan wrote on January 28, 2008 8:27 PM:

Nobody understands Rudy. In 4 years people will be begging for him.

But, we wanted to announce our wedding plans to everyone who reads TPM.

NrothgalOfTheNorth wrote on January 28, 2008 8:29 PM:

C'mon you guys. Except for his foreign and domestic policies, and a few other things, Rudy is the best of the Republican candidates.

OK, if you don't believe me, here's the challenge: demonstrate how any of the others are any better.

GMFORD wrote on January 28, 2008 8:38 PM:

ChrisNBama you are right. The media is trying to be 'fair and balanced' but there is just not much excitement in the republican race. All the excitement is on the Dem side. The best they can do is report on Rudy's 'make or break' FL stance...even though it's obvious it's already broken and is a total ho-hum.

jose wrote on January 28, 2008 8:44 PM:

Joe Lhota and Judi Nathan wrote on January 28, 2008 8:27 PM:

"Nobody understands Rudy. In 4 years people will be begging for him. "

Very true. Rudy would never beg for himself. He'll pay others to beg for him. But I don't think it will take 4 years. His securities business venture probably won't last that long either.

I don't think he understands himself.

Cynic wrote on January 28, 2008 8:46 PM:

Rudy's been saying this for weeks. He's counting on the early voting to have locked in a sufficiently large lead that he can withstand his recent collapse. He's got nothing to lose by taking this position. If he can't win Florida, he's finished anyway. If he does win, then he can point to his prediction.

jose wrote on January 28, 2008 8:50 PM:

Let's see, as a mod-Dem if we are to lose in November, I would prefer it be Gov. Romney. Why? Because this guy is obviously persuadable! He's changed sides on key issues so often that it's likely he's not firm on anything. he is not stubborn like mccain and not as culturally inept as huckabee, and he is always looking to score political points, i.e. working with the Dem controlled House and Senate. nevertheless, i am all for him starting his own political party. ;)

Richard L. Adlof wrote on January 28, 2008 9:03 PM:

Problem is as a Republican stronghold the Floridians will be suppressing the early vote-by-mail votes cuz they night include soldiers and people can read.

Po' lil' ol' Rude-ee . . .

bnb wrote on January 28, 2008 9:11 PM:

Nice of Rudy to nullify his home state.

Mark F wrote on January 28, 2008 9:17 PM:

So THIS has been Rudy's "strategy"? Win in Florida and win the nomination? What a pathetic, clueless nitwit.

storm wrote on January 28, 2008 9:23 PM:

the only thing i am really hoping for tomorrow is another whooping of rudy by ron paul.

Jeff Winchell wrote on January 28, 2008 9:34 PM:

It looks like Giuliani will spend 75 million for no delegates. That's much worse than Phil Gramm's 29 million dollars spent for a similar delegate total though Gramm only got 75,000 votes and it seems that Florida get him the 15,000 votes needed to put him over that "hurdle" in order to briefly bob over the Ron Paul Mendoza line (before sinking permanently below that)

Paulie wrote on January 28, 2008 9:47 PM:

Joe Lhota and Judi Nathan wrote on January 28, 2008 8:27 PM:

Nobody understands Rudy. In 4 years people will be begging for him.

......eh, what? Earth to Joe & Judy, come in? It would appear that you both inhaled!
What exactly would we be begging for? Piss poor leadership, scumbag political tactics, philandering more than Bill???

cal1942 wrote on January 28, 2008 10:08 PM:

ChrisNBama said:

"The fact that Hillary may win a landslide of uncontested votes won't even be a footnote (I'll be generous, it might be a footnote)."

Sorry Chris but Edwards and Obama are also on the Florida ballot.

It was in Michigan where Clinton was on the ballot without Edwards and Obama.

dcshungu wrote on January 28, 2008 11:03 PM:

Since TPM-EC is now officially out of the business of reporting election news that is favorable to Hillary, I would like to fill in. From Political Wire:

* SurveyUSA: Clinton, McCain Ahead in California
* SurveyUSA: Clinton, McCain Lead in Oklahoma
* Advisers Say Bill Clinton Hurt Campaign
* CNN/LAT Poll: McCain, Clinton Lead in California
* Gallup: McCain, Clinton Ahead in California
* Gallup: Clinton, McCain Lead in New York

Paulie wrote on January 28, 2008 11:12 PM:

Aw, poor dcshungu, are your feelings hurt by the weekends developments?

Let's be real here, Josh and the rest of the TPM team do a pretty good job of reporting election news without letting their personal opinions influence what they do/don't report.

Throwing out comments such as yours shows your complete lack of imagination and, quite honestly, hinders REAL discourse.

BTW, if you'd looked a little harder, you will have seen ALL of your 'headlines' on TPM.

dcshungu wrote on January 28, 2008 11:16 PM:

Goldmund wrote on January 28, 2008 6:55 PM:

Darrel --

And you have no problem with that? After rules were clearly agreed upon?

I guess if you didn't believe that ends justify the means you would have ceased being a HRC supporter a long time ago, since that is obviously her MO.

Will you, at long last, stop whining?! Obama, as usual, breaks the agreement by releasing a "nationwide" ad that has been playing on FL TVs for some time, and it is Hillary who gets blamed for breaking a rule that was agreed upon. This has now reached a level that is beyond the ridiculous.

Obama will lose the nomination fight and also tarnish himself so badly that he would be "damaged good" in 2016, when some of us were hoping to back him for the presidency...

ChrisNBama wrote on January 28, 2008 11:23 PM:

Call942:

Let me clarify what I mean by uncontested. I mean that no one is actively running a campaign in Florida on the democratic side.

Hillary's win will be mostly on the basis of name recognition. But I won't discount the fact that Florida represents the key Clinton demographic: old. white. women.

The front loading of the primary season heavily favors the Establishment candidate (Hillary). The fact that Obama has risen to the level of stature he has is a political miracle.

I don't think Florida will, as Hillary hopes, portend the outcome of February 5th. Too many variables are at play. You already see races tightening up significantly.

For better or worse, this nomination will be decided at the convention.

dcshungu wrote on January 28, 2008 11:25 PM:

Paulie wrote on January 28, 2008 11:12 PM:

Aw, poor dcshungu, are your feelings hurt by the weekends developments?

Let's be real here, Josh and the rest of the TPM team do a pretty good job of reporting election news without letting their personal opinions influence what they do/don't report.

No doubt, but they, too, can get caught in the hype of the moment. It used to be that they sometimes had big headlines for a candidate when polls showed him or her doing well in a state that would be consequential in an upcoming primary. Several polls have now been released that show Hillary leading in the delegate-rich states of CA and NY, and there not been a single post about it... It has all been about the meaningless endorsement of Obama by Ted Kennedy. Too much Obama kool-aid at TPM-EC? Maybe... The ObamaPost (HuffoPo) has turned the whole Obamamania into a cult. I hope TPM does not stoop that low...

Paulie wrote on January 29, 2008 12:48 AM:

dcshungu, point taken but you missed mine. If you are looking for slanted media coverage then you will find it but that doesn't mean it's really there.
The media in general made too big a deal about Ted Kennedy's endorsement of Obama but on the other side, it's hardly meaningless.
I just feel that we look at coverage of the race and if we feel that 'our' candidate isn't getting a fair shake, we shout "no fair" too quickly.

John Crandell wrote on January 29, 2008 1:54 AM:

I read this evening that actor Jon Voight has been campaigning in Florida on behalf of Rudy....

I can't help but remember the young actor appearing at my college in California in the early fall of 1972 on behalf of George McGovern.....

Jon, you've certainly Come Home. When did you start in on the Kool Aid??
You're now the Adolph Menjou of you're generation. Sheila Benson was so right, in retrospect.

missmarple wrote on January 29, 2008 10:48 AM:

Can anyone tell me what stops Snowbirds from New York voting in both States. Are there laws in place?

Jackie FL wrote on January 29, 2008 2:46 PM:

I'm a Floridian and I voted Rudy this morning!!

I like Rudy... his past is no more tainted than the Clintons ever was... and look at how far they got (much to my dismay).

9/11 vs. Hurricane Katrina.... 9/11 was handled much more smoothly.... thanks to Rudy. Rudy is a hero and I agree with 96% of his stance on THE ISSUES. That's why I voted for him :)

GO RUDY!!

But... if Rudy should lose the primary... I will vote for Obama. If Clinton should win the primary.... I'll vote for whomever is running against her con-artist caniving butt.

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