SurveyUSA: Obama At 50% In South Carolina, Ahead Of Hillary By 20 Points

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Mike wrote on January 7, 2008 5:56 PM:

But Hill has "experience"

come to think of it so does Bush

texasdem wrote on January 7, 2008 6:00 PM:

I would imagine Hillary's statement re LBJ and MLK would have some effect, as well:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Clinton_and_Obama_Johnson_and_King.html#comments

DRinOH wrote on January 7, 2008 6:08 PM:

I'd be shocked if she spends another dollar here.

Tom wrote on January 7, 2008 6:09 PM:

Yes, Hillary really screwed up with those comments. She was already reeling, but I think she knocked herself out with that one.

Michael wrote on January 7, 2008 6:11 PM:

The question becomes: when will Hillary actually win a race?

I wonder when we'll see a knew Nevada poll?

shoes4industry wrote on January 7, 2008 6:21 PM:

Stick a fork in her, she's done.

Mark F wrote on January 7, 2008 6:22 PM:

Please. Let's not have any of this false hope crap. Time for a reality check. Hillary deserves to win this. Obama does not. She's a goddam CLINTON, fer Chrissakes.

"Some of us are right and some of us are not. Sob. Some of us are ready and some of us are not. Sob, sniffle, sniffle, sob. Some of us know what we will do on day one and some of us really haven't thought that through enough. Sob, sob, sob..."

-- Hillary (I coulda been a contenda) Clinton

Tithonia wrote on January 7, 2008 6:26 PM:

Mark F:

That was mean.

But I laughed.

Angry Vet (formerly known as "M") wrote on January 7, 2008 6:30 PM:

No need to beat a fellow Democrat while she is down, folks. Remember, your actions reflect on your candidate, whether you want them to or not.

I also think there is a sort of rank sexism in your comments, Mark. Those are certainly not necessary, and are more appropriate in another party.

Obama is winning SC handily. Now he can re-focus his efforts in CA, PA, and OH. Or, if he is a real killer, NY and NJ (good luck to him there).

Bob wrote on January 7, 2008 6:36 PM:

Wow. Amazing how quickly this all changed. Wow.

Bob wrote on January 7, 2008 6:38 PM:

Wow. Amazing how quickly this all changed. Wow.

c wrote on January 7, 2008 6:42 PM:

Please, this is no time to pile on. She's exhausted and this can't be an easy moment for her. She has a fine public-service record and you can understand her frustration that it doesn't translate into more support.

And some of the mockery is unconscionably sexist.

We need to welcome Hillary Clinton supporters aboard a united Obama '08 campaign and a serious, serious effort to elect good folks at all levels in November. A President can't do it alone. Her backers are our allies; the trollish ones who have shown up on these lists aren't typical.

lestatdelc wrote on January 7, 2008 6:44 PM:

Wow, the SurveyUSA SC poll mirrors the CNN NH poll... and shows a Clinton collapse.

THe questions is, can NV be an etch-o-sketch shake for her before SC?

I think her MLK comment will destroy her support in the black community.

lestatdelc wrote on January 7, 2008 6:46 PM:

c wrote on January 7, 2008 6:42 PM:

Please, this is no time to pile on. She's exhausted and this can't be an easy moment for her...

LEEEAAAAVE BRITNEY ALOOOONE!!!!

Jeremy wrote on January 7, 2008 6:46 PM:

Hillary's LBJ comments show she doesn't understand change and doesn't understand leadership.

Erik wrote on January 7, 2008 6:49 PM:

Seriously, let's let "Crygate" go. It's a hard time for a very ambitious person whose dreams are kind of crumbling. She cried. It's a tragedy of our culture that tears are such a horrible thing, male or female. Have some compassion, have some class.
Obama 08.

lestatdelc wrote on January 7, 2008 6:51 PM:

(back on topic)

Wow... looking at the cross-tabs in the SurveyUSA poll... check out the party ID breakdown and the gender breakdown. Obama is really scoring well.

lestatdelc wrote on January 7, 2008 6:57 PM:

Erik, I agree for the most part, but let's honestly look at this, crying for one's political fate and how hard it is to run for President is not at all the same thing as crying over someone's pain about losing their house in a flood, etc. If Hillary was tearing up about the situation that Nataline Sarkisyan and her family faced because of an irresponsible corporation basically killing her to make more money, that is commendable and the sort of thing we want and need emotionally in a President. Not someone getting teary eyed about the strains and stress of trying to be elected President.

Hillary was crying for herself over the pressure of the race, not something we need as President (regardless of gender).

Anonymous wrote on January 7, 2008 7:28 PM:

I cannot believe political discourse on the left has been reduced to an environment that can only be likened to TMZ.

The teenage girls on all the liberal blogs have their rockstar candidate, they just know he's cute and he's cool, he's the in thing, like skinny jeans. They'll call you names if you say anything bad about Elvis, I mean Barack.

Hillary's a bitch, no she's not you are. Hillary is so yesterday, I have Barack Obama on my iPhone. John Edwards is like so totally 2004, get with it, Barack means change. (Note to teenage self: define said change before college.)

Good grief, grow up. The left deserves what it gets.

Bill Richardson was right, too bad he was busy in policy as opposed to Facebook.

NCSteve wrote on January 7, 2008 7:36 PM:

You know, one of things I hate about Firedog Lake is the way hundreds and hundreds of commenters feel the need to log on and make comments that are nothing more than inane one or two word exclamations.

Nonetheless, a twenty-two point delta? Ho- Leeee crap!

davet103 wrote on January 7, 2008 7:38 PM:

Thank you c, I'm glad there is at least one reasonable, adult Obama fan. I by no stretch of the imagination supported Hillary as the candidate but the Obama fans are making it so hard to support him as the Democratic candidate which I have done since I was old enough to vote in my first election, which was Dukakis, regardless of who it was. The behavior on this and all the blogs by the Obama fans is deplorable. Everyone talking about everyone attacking, the Republicans could in no way shape or form do to a candidate what the Obama fans have, and in their own party. I want a Democrat to be elected and I am certain I will vote for Obama but it is truly embarassing to read this stuff, HE WOULD BE EMBARASSED BY YOU PEOPLE.

DTM wrote on January 7, 2008 7:38 PM:

If anyone is wondering what Clinton has to lose by continuing this campaign indefinitely, this is part of it: losing the brand that the Clintons built up among African Americans.

serena1313 wrote on January 7, 2008 8:38 PM:

I quit going to FDL and some of the others on a daily basis for the very reason NCSteve stated.

Iam 100% in Obama's camp. I will continue supporting him.

But the adoration camp is typical of younger people -- they have a different way of expressing themselves. They have never had a candidate who pays attention to them, someone who addresses their needs. Obama does that. While they are being taken as a serious constituency the impression, according to comments on the web, is Obama has a cult-like following. Needless to say that scares some people.

The more Obama supporters out there posting reasonable and sound arguments why he deserves to be elected, the better. IMHO

nogo war wrote on January 7, 2008 8:50 PM:

Let us say that Obama has the most delegates...not ALL the delegates, in NH and SC.

If he is determined by the media to be the "inevitable" Democratic candidate before most of the Primaries, could this present the same problem Clinton ran into with future votes?

I would ask any Obama supporter if
the inevitable tag placed on Clinton
was not a factor in folks coming out to vote? Could that happen to Obama?

"It was once upon a place sometimes I listen to myself
Gonna come in first place
People on their way to work baby what did you except
Gonna burst into flame"

Richard L. Adlof wrote on January 7, 2008 9:34 PM:

Oprah wins SC for Obama . . . BFD.

DTM wrote on January 7, 2008 9:40 PM:

nogo war,

I actually don't think it is correct to say the inevitability meme hurt Clinton. What hurt Clinton is losing, and not having any other compelling reason for her candidacy. In that sense, the problem with the inevitability meme as applied to Clinton is just that it was wrong.

All that said, Obama isn't going to be "inevitable" if he wins NH. Rather, he might be in a very good position to win the nomination, but he would still have to keep making his case to the various electorates right up to the point they vote.

za wrote on January 7, 2008 11:17 PM:

um, ain't S.C. a southern state?

And, um, ain't Obama black?

This is a freakin' miracle. The GOP must be shitting in their cornflakes.

Josh wrote on January 7, 2008 11:21 PM:

If Obama's supporters were really as dumb as some of the folks on here would have us believe, you'd think it would be fairly easy for Mrs. Clinton to sway their decisions.

That said, I agree with the others: I am done taking pleasure in her demise. She will get it together and be a valuable part of the next Democratic administration.

Jim Martin wrote on January 8, 2008 12:44 AM:

Erik wrote on January 7, 2008 6:49 PM:

Seriously, let's let "Crygate" go. It's a hard time for a very ambitious person whose dreams are kind of crumbling. She cried. It's a tragedy of our culture that tears are such a horrible thing, male or female. Have some compassion, have some class.

It wasn't the crying that got to me, it's what she said in between the sobs.

I'd love to see some softness from Hillary, as well as from the male candidates in the race. Unfortunately, Hillary managed to get in a few jabs at her opponent (who isn't my candidate, but it's the truth) in between those all-too-brief moments of softness.

If we were looking from compassion or class from Candidate Clinton, this wasn't it.

Jim Martin wrote on January 8, 2008 12:50 AM:

za wrote on January 7, 2008 11:17 PM:

um, ain't S.C. a southern state?

And, um, ain't Obama black?

This is a freakin' miracle. The GOP must be shitting in their cornflakes.

I wouldn't make too much of this. This is a Democratic primary, after all. The real racists have long since moved over to the Republican party. So they don't count in this one, but they certainly will count in the general.

That said, it's been a long time since a Democrat took the South. I'm not sure the Dems need the South to win.

And that said, I'd still be more comfortable with Edwards, and he has the most consistently progressive message of the "Top 3" Dems. Of course the corporate media would perceive him as a threat (which he would be, in a way that Clinton and Obama are not) and would savage him once it became impossible to ignore him. Alas for us, ignoring him seems to be working.

heretic wrote on January 8, 2008 4:31 AM:

Looks like its pretty much over. Obama is going to win tomorrow and kill in SC. He has moved even in national polls as well. If he take MI and/or FL, his momemtum will probably rack up quite a few votes on super tuesday. So for those on this list like me who can't stand the guy, its time to bite the bullet. A slimy Dem is better than an upstanding repub any day of the week. My thought is now who do I vote for on Super tuesday in GA? I am thinking of voting for Mike Huckabee. I really want him to win the republican nomination because he doesn't have a chance in hell against Obama in the GE and his mere presence on the ticket will completely shatter the republican coalition for the rest of my natural life.

heretic wrote on January 8, 2008 4:33 AM:

Dumb people are not swayed by facts. They are moved by emotions. That's why Bush was so popular for so long.

EAK wrote on January 8, 2008 5:02 AM:

First time I have felt anything close to empathy for Hillary. Did she burst into uncontrollable sobs? No. She just showed a little bit of emotion -- a good thing for someone who has worked so hard to maintain control.

Shame on those who ridicule her for this.

But I still think Obama's the better candidate and will keep sending him money and volunteering for him.

spencer wrote on January 8, 2008 8:00 AM:

um, ain't S.C. a southern state?
And, um, ain't Obama black?
This is a freakin' miracle. The GOP must be shitting in their cornflakes.

There is a sizable black population in South Carolina, and it stands to reason that a large number of black voters are registered to vote as Democrats there.

That's not to say that blacks should - or do - feel obligated to vote for Obama just because of his race. But there is almost certainly some level of identification with the candidate there that stems from sharing the common experience of being black in America.

What would have the GOP shitting in their cornflakes is a poll that has Obama doing well (not even necessarily winning) in SC for the general election - and not just the Democratic primary.

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