Zogby: Obama, Romney Ahead In California
A new Zogby poll in California — a state that may well decide the direction of the Democratic race — shows Barack Obama taking a small lead over Hillary Clinton, within the margin of error. Obama has 45% to Clinton's 41%, with Obama's 20-point lead among men making up for Hillary's 11-point lead with women.
On the Republican side, Mitt Romney has taken an apparent edge himself of 37% to John McCain's 34%, followed by Mike Huckabee with 12%. Although McCain has the support of the state Republican establishment, led by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Romney leads among those who say immigration and the war on terror are their top issues — probably owing to McCain's support for immigration reform and his opposition to torture.
Some more Zogby state poll numbers are available after the jump.
California:Democrats: Obama 45%, Clinton 41%
Republicans: Romney 37%, McCain 34%, Huckabee 12%, Paul 5%
Georgia:
Democrats: Obama 48%, Clinton 28%
Missouri
Democrats: Clinton 44%, Obama 43%
Republicans: McCain 36%, Huckabee 27%, Romney 22%, Paul 4%
New Jersey:
Democrats: Clinton 43%, Obama 42%
Republicans: McCain 54%, Romney 23%, Huckabee 6%, Paul 4%
New York:
Republicans: McCain 49%, Romney 23%, Huckabee 8%, Paul 6%















Wow!
I thought CA would get closer as we got to the 5th but the NJ numbers are shocking! That’s HRC Turf!
Go Obama!
February 3, 2008 3:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
HOLY. COW.
I mean...if Obama wins California, Hillary should just take a cold shower, call a press conference and drop out. It's just like ripping off a band-aid...
I honestly never even thought he would get this close!!!!!!!!
*For anyone that hasn't seen it, please check this gorgeous video featuring various celebrities singing Obama's South Carolina speech. It's superb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY
February 3, 2008 3:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
GObama!!
February 3, 2008 3:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
HRC turf is only inside the NOW headquarters. The rest is the United States of America who are free to support whomever they want.
February 3, 2008 4:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
The comment about Clinton's support being only within NOW is sexist. It should be removed, and I hope TPM would discourage comments that are racist, sexist, etc.
The Field poll, as have others, states:
"Clinton is strongest in Los Angeles County, among women, Latinos, older voters, self-described middle-of-the-road and conservative Democrats, voters with a high school education or less and lower-and middle-income voters.
Obama's strength is in the San Francisco Bay Area, among men, blacks, young voters, self-described liberals, college graduates and upper-income voters."
February 3, 2008 9:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh come on. It's not all of NOW -- just a few idiots in the NY state office. Feminists are a diverse crew and most of my friends are supporting Obama.
February 3, 2008 9:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting news from California, and the trend seems to be confirmed by a new Field poll released Sunday morning, showing a 36-34 lead for HRC with 18% undecided.
February 3, 2008 4:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
People like to make fun of Zogby, but with the exception of NH (which every pollster got wrong), he's been accurate - he had IA Obama by 7, SC Obama by 15 and surging, and Nevada, Clinton by 6. This looks good for Obama.
February 3, 2008 5:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, these numbers are shocking indeed.
I've been reading that due to early ballots, Obama would probably have to win day-of voting in California by 6 or 7% to win the state outright, but regardless of whether that happens or not, the Clinton campaign has to be officially back on their heels at this point. Personally, I think Obama takes Missouri.
After Super Tuesday, the rest of the Feb. states are looking very Obama friendly.
February 3, 2008 6:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
This race is going to be a photo finish, particularly in places HRC was considering to be firewalls.
One thing, if these polls are accurate, that is abundantly clear: this race will not be decided on February 5th.
February 3, 2008 6:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wish I had some clue about how this new comments section works. Sometimes a comment will go through normally, sometimes it'll get hung up in moderation and wait for hours before getting posted, and other times, it'll get swallowed up by the server, never to be seen again.
Seriously TPM, what's the deal?
February 3, 2008 7:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Zogby is suspect, but there's no more question in my mind that this thing is close enough to go past Feb 5th
February 3, 2008 8:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ditto on the wow. The trends are going good for obama, the question is is it enough to get a media win on Tuesday. It's all about media and public perception now. Neither the clintons nor obama will win enough delegates on Tuesday to knock the other out. But if he wins the state totals and in turn the states, the perception might be that he is the winner and will win. I am really sceptical of polls, but these trends do look good, other that the gallup nationwide poll yesterday, which was not good news.
February 3, 2008 8:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
The polls are wrong.
February 3, 2008 8:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
The WJC Foundation is going to produce more headlines than Hillary, between the convention and the general election. And it's not going to be limited to the kind of gut-wrenching stuff the NYT has already covered. It won't just be stories of Bill watching TV and kicking back with dictators, and putting together mining and oil deals.
Nope, what's coming next is that were going to learn that alot of money--millions--have been given to the WJC Foundation as a way to curry favor with a future HRC Administration.
The Democrats by making Hillary the nominee are going to walk into the Clinton trap.
February 3, 2008 8:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has been running a spectacular campaign.
February 3, 2008 9:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
I would hate to be in the HRC campaign meeting this morning....She had a huge double digit lead just 7 days ago in California and now its all gone...WOW!!!!
Obama's best friend is the Dem party proportional system...Some of you are talking about him possibly winning California, but remember, he never had to win any states outright, just stay close in the delegate count or split the delegates in every district in each state. If the polls are accurate, then Hillary has to be worried going into Tuesday...
We will know the HRC camp is worried when Bill goes on a rampage like he did after Iowa...
February 3, 2008 9:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
FlyOnTheWall:
The New Jersey poll is the real news here. It's been clear for the past week that California isn't going to provide either candidate with a large margin. New York remains solidly in Hillary's column, and she'll probably get 30-40 more delegates that Obama does, even though he'll carry the City. She was hoping for a similar boost from New Jersey, but if Zogby's right, those delegates are going to split fairly evenly.
So how does HRC look coming out of Super Tuesday? Other than New York, Oklahoma, and Arkansas, there's no good reason to believe she's presently enjoying a double-digit margin in any state. Obama's got double digit margins in Illinois and Georgia, which will roughly offset those three HRC states (particularly the size of his IL margin). There's a potential upside for Obama in the caucus states, which control 14% of the delegates who'll be awarded. Tough to see HRC breaking out anywhere at all. Everywhere else, they're going to run fairly evenly. The upshot is that by Wednesday morning, they'll be roughly even in the pledged delegate count (barring a major last minute shift).
So who does that favor? I'll let you decide for yourselves.
February 3, 2008 9:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bill's dick killed Dickless Bill.
February 3, 2008 9:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Crossing finger here. For Obama. And that this will post.
February 3, 2008 9:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Mason-Dixon Clinton +9
Zogby Obama +4
Way off...we will see with 48 hrs left.
February 3, 2008 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
techpusher writes:
Second.
FYI, new posts over at TPM showing other polls with mixed results in CA. Still a lot of undecided.
February 3, 2008 9:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Michael A.....whats with the "Media Win". Is that what you are playing for, a media win. lolololo.
See ya later gonna go to a Obama rally today, I promised to.
February 3, 2008 9:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Polls are obviously flawed, and I know everyone in the free world will disagree with what I'm about to say. Just remember that I called it when it happens. Obama will win or at least split the delegates in New York. As a New Yorker in Upstate, I think he'll take Upstate and Western New York by a small margin, and she'll take the city by a small margin.
February 3, 2008 9:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
The SF Chronicle's field poll is very interesting. The most surprising part for me is that Clinton holds a 2-point lead over McCain in a hypothetical match-up, while Obama beats him by 7 points. The link is above, but I'll post it again:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/03/MNF7UR6FE.DTL&tsp=1
February 3, 2008 9:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
The polls have been showing a large number of undecideds still (13-15%), not to mention widely differing results between polls. I believe Hillary has been taking most of the late deciders in most of the states so far. Either way, its gonna be a delegate split. I also don't see either one trouncing the other in any of the big states left (TX, OH, and PA). Looks like a brokered convention. I wonder how that will play out.
February 3, 2008 9:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Zogby also has Romney beating McCain in CA. They're the only poll of the GOP race to have it that way. That gives me pause about these results.
February 3, 2008 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is great.
Time to turn the page.
February 3, 2008 10:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/polls/approval-ratings/16939/zogby-poll-comfortable-new-hampshire-primary-leads-for-obama-and-mccain/
This poll has had a very bad track record lately (i.e., pre-NH), and TPM needs to put the Zogby poll in the proper context. Its pre-NH poll was a disgrace.
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1417
February 3, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
The media, the polls, Ann Coulter's praise of Hillary. This is all dovetailing perfectly for the Republican Attack Machine plans, to saddle the Dems with an unelectable or at most ineffectual 4 year idealist. And they don't even have to lift a finger. It was going to take a McGovern to allow the Republicans back in the White House, and they just might have him.
February 3, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Imagine if it was Hillary now for 8 years, recession averted, surplus back, national debt on track for disappearance (like under Bill's watch), and then a mature Obama for 8 more.
What worse nightmare for the Republicans?
February 3, 2008 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't fret Hillary people!
Richmond: Every pollster messed up NH. So that's just spin. I'll acknowledge he he has a bad rep and every poll should be taken with a grain of salt but I could use "the NH excuse" to rule out every pollster that shows Clinton in the lead.
glennS: the "Republican attack machine" would like nothing better than to have Hillary and Bill to knock around for 9 months. I don't see how people can deny this. It is the way it is. They have a built in audience for that slime. Just use a Clinton scandal buzzword: "whitewater", "Monica", "Mark Rich". It's too easy even if it's completely unfair.
It takes a very long time to beat those things into the public consciousness. Doing the same thing to Obama would obviously be so much more difficult. I know Clinton fans remember the 90s. I didn't enjoy it or believe it but the 90s happened.
Hillary doesn't wear well and it won't look any better for her in 9 months against McCain. And I'm no fan his.
February 3, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Imagine if Hillary wins a 50% + 1 victory but doesn't bring in a huge congressional majority. Then she gets killed in the midterms and it's gridlock for the rest of her presidency.
As for maturity, I think the "kid" can handle it. Why do red-state Dems love this man so much? They hate their jobs?
February 3, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary Clinton cannot win the general election. While that is not the main reason I support Barack Obama, it is the clincher.
John McCain will not have a motivated party behind him unless the democratic opponent is Hillary Clinton.
And it is about time that the entrenched democratic establishment listen up. The people are ready for transformative change, not another circular firing squad that reinforces the status quo.
The status quo represents preemptive war, torture, policies that promote the demise of the American economy, and little if any real consideration for the welfare of Mr. and Mrs. America. We know it. Now you should know we know it.
February 3, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
glennS, I think one of the poor assumptions made by Dems in this campaign is that Obama will be able to run again in 4, 8 or 12 years. But politics are unpredictable, and chances to run for Prez usually come along once in a lifetime if a pol is lucky -- usually not at all. We don't know what the dynamics will be down the road and whether he will be able to run or even whether he will want to.
Be thankful he's running now, take advantage of the moment history has given us, and vote for him. It is almost certain you will not get another chance.
February 3, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
I've seen the "Yes we can" video and it is truly inspiring. Part of this video needs to be a nation wide commercial.
February 3, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is a mistake to trumpet the Zogby poll without acknowledging it was grossly incorrect in advance of NH. It was malpractice, pure and simple. The better practice would be to trot out the latest numbers, for whatever they are worth, with the kind of caveat that accompanies responsible reporting (see the last paragraph of this report).
http://www.newsobserver.com/politics/story/920176.html
February 3, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
glennS doesn't want Obama now, or in 8 years. The Clintonites love to push the "it's too soon" meme on us. Just like they were pushing the "Obama as VP" angle after the debate--he'd have to be suicidal to put himself in the crossfire just to be the third wheel on a Clinton/Clinton/Obama ticket. If he has any future in politics it is not as Hillary's VP.
February 3, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Richmond: Malpractice? I think you take these polls too seriously. Again if you are going to use NH to judge polls then every poll reported on TPM would need an asterisk (*this poll was wrong in NH). I think we all know not to trust one poll to reflect the actual votes on election day. Do you have the same problem with pollsters showing Hillary in the lead that also got NH wrong?
February 3, 2008 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Crossing fingers - for Obama. And for this to post.
February 3, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm an Obama supporter, but a little realism is needed here. Nearly 40% of California voters have already voted(within last 30 days)due to their early voting program. Most of these votes were submitted when HRC held a 15% lead in the polls.
My hope is that Obama stays within 5-10 points of HRC after the voting in CA is done.
February 3, 2008 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wouldn't consider the zogby poll as a true reflection, while every other has Hillary ahead. The problem with polling this time around there is a mass showing up to vote and the pollsters can't take their model in this calculation. I think those of you getting excited about this are going to be disappointed on election day.
February 3, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Listening to the Pollsters on NPR the other day, they said point blank that while the polling has been accurate for the republicans and 3rd & 4th place democrats, they have had real hard time with Clinton/Obama for some reason. It's funny listening to them spout off excuses by the dozen. Personally, I'm totally against polling before the contest. Poll afterwards to find out why people voted the way they did, but I see no logical reason to poll before an election.
February 3, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Women will put her over the top again, I think. Middle-aged women are angry at Oprah because they feel she chose race and they want to push their gender. It's been middle-aged women that have put her over the top each time.
February 3, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I live in San Francisco. Friday, Ted Kennedy led a huge rally in Oakland, and yesterday morning John Kerry helped launch a big GOTV gathering just a few blocks from my apartment. And today Michelle Obama is leading a town hall meeting about an hour away in San Jose.
Thousands have been turning out for these events, and the venues haven't been big enough to hold the crowds. And this is in a city where the mayor and most of the local officials are Hillary backers.
Something big is happening here at the grass-roots level, and Obama's campaign seems to be hitting on all cylinders. It will be interesting to see the numbers come Tuesday. I can't wait!
February 3, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
jgroves -- I agree that polling before an election is unreasonable, and in this election may even be opening the floodgates for media idolatry and manipulation. However, sometimes it can bring us down to earth, like the breaking Pew Poll, which seems to debunk the commonly-heard notion that Hillary's negatives are so astronomical that they disqualify her.
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=392
February 3, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Zogby was the one that had Mosely Braun winning and pollster rated the most unreliable. I'm for Obama but I'm dubious
February 3, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink